[Tagging] access in the wiki: move psv to "by use"

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2014/1/16 Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl>

> Nobody uses the archaic word "omnibus" these days.
>


this is not a real problem, rather it might be a benefit, because it will
avoid people using the term and guessing about the meaning.



> You may as well suggest replacing "car" with "horseless carriage".
>

probably the latter is more inclusive...


I really think we are trying to square a circle here. There are
> irreconcilable differences between countries, and we should not waste our
> energy in a war of attrition. Whether a taxi with no passengers is still a
> taxi, whether a bus on its way back to the depot is still a PSV, whether a
> bus being driven by a mechanic on a test-drive is allowed in a bus lane,
> all these things are going to vary by country.
>


maybe it will vary, but there is no doubt that there are at least 2 types
of buses, those acting as psv and the vehicle class bus, I can confirm the
necessity to distinct for at least Germany and Italy, but I guess is that
this is relevant for many countries.


> Why don't we all come up individually with a model which fits our own
> countries, and then we can see how much correlation there is between the
> countries.
>

this discussion rose out of the need to find suitable tags for real world
situations


> A few questions which come to mind:
>
>    - If there is a road sign indicating "Taxis only" (might be a road,
>    might be parking), what is considered a Taxi?
>
>
I have spent half an hour today trying to find this out for Germany and
couldn't find an answer. But I have found other interesting facts, e.g. the
sign for "bus=yes" (for buses acting as psv) in Germany allows access for
all kind of vehicles that do "Linienverkehr" ("line traffic" / "line
operation"), i.e. it excludes taxis (if there is not an additional sign)
but it would allow a car in line operation (there is a definition what line
operation is).



>
>    - When is a bus allowed to use a bus lane? Does it include
>    long-distance scheduled services? Does it include "touring cars" (a.k.a.
>    coaches in the UK)? Does it include sightseeing tours?
>
>

in the countries where I know the details, coaches are not allowed on bus
lanes (hence the need for 2 kind of buses).


Whatever tagging scheme is used, it should have some way of representing
> reality in many (preferably all) countries.
>

+1


> If the semantics of a tag/value are different by country, let us just
> document the standards for that country and move on.
>

I'd prefer to use a different tag then, because that's what tagging is
about: describing the real situation with k/v pairs. What's the point of
using the same tag with different meaning?

cheers,
Martin
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