[Tagging] vending= How to handle food & drinks

[Peter Wendorff]

Hi Janko,
I disagree.
If (!) any software uses that particular tag, it should/would try to
translate at least some of these tags to it's UI language, getting:
"Sandwiches, Mars, Snickers, Kaugummi, Schokolade, Salzige Snacks, Eis"
as a german example for the tag you mentioned.

For showing it as it is (especially without spaces after the semicolons)
I don't see any use case where that is the best solution. It might be a
first draft or a better-than-nothing approach, but for good software I
would expect to be able to see values like this in my language, with
correct layout and probably filter by it (e.g. searching for ice cream
is very different from searching for salty stuff).

The argument that there is no application (yet) that uses the value at
all would be valid, then don't tag it (yourself), but don't restrict
others just because you don't see the use case.

regards
Peter

Am 11.07.2014 18:35, schrieb Janko Mihelić:
> I think that when we get to that level, we can have no more structure in
> tagging. The last structured tag should be "vending=food;drinks", and after
> that all the other values should be crumpled into one tag. Something like:
> 
> food=sandwitches;Mars;Snickers;bubblegum;chocolate;salty snacks;ice
> cream;...
> 
> and treat it simmilar to note=* tag. If anyone is going to use that data,
> it's not going to be anything more than showing all the text raw to the
> user.
> 
> Janko
> 
> 
> 2014-07-11 17:01 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss <andig88 at t-online.de>:
> 
>> Usually it is pretty obvious when you should make a new value and when
>> not, but with food and drinks it is endless:
>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/vending#values
>>
>> If you use vending=milk instead of vending=drinks+drink:milk=yes where do
>> you draw the line? Does vending=drinks assume soft drinks? Or does that get
>> its own tag? What happens when OSM gets more popular in other parts of the
>> word where different products are popular? What about bbq meat (had that
>> discussion on the DE mailing list). Also what about sweets? According to
>> the wiki should have been used for the small ones for children, not the big
>> ones at the train station where you can get a Mars or Snickers. (Those
>> Gumball vending machines are actually the other big issue on their own)
>>
>> After long consideration I think the best solution is to use drinks & food
>> for everything as umbrella term and then require the use of drink:/food:
>> tags to be more specific.
>>
>> The main advantages I see:
>> 1. vending= drinks, food and drinks;food would cover most cases (if
>> including "sweets")
>> 2. No different definitions/interpretations about what drinks/food on
>> their own stand for
>> 3. drink: / food: is universally and can be combined with other tags
>> (bars, restaurants...) - less documentation
>> 4. One system and not some arbitrary line where it changes (e.g. from
>> vending=abc to vending=drinks+drink:abc=yes)
>> 5. Allows for more specific tagging that is easier to consume
>> (vending=drinks+drink:soft_drink=yes+drink:water=yes+drink:coca-cola=yes
>> instead of vending=drinks/soft_drinks;water+... or something like that)
>> 6. No redundant tagging possible (like vending=water+drink:water=yes)
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
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