[Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

François Lacombe fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com
Fri Nov 14 09:57:38 UTC 2014


Hi there,

The vote process of the street cabinet mapping proposal has been closed
yesterday evening.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_cabinet

27 users said yes against 1 no, this proposal is accepted :)
Thank you to everyone who gave feedbacks on vote and talk page.


Nevertheless, user verdy_p - who didn't make any contribution to Talk:
since RFC start - has edited the document last night as for commenting tags
usefulness.
We can't accept such methods which ruins any common efforts to get a
consensus.
I strongly encourage any responsible person of the proposal/vote process to
explain it to Verdy_p please.

I personnaly find some interest in man_made=technical_cabinet instead of
man_made=street_cabinet
The "street" term is certainly restrictive when such cabinet can be found
far from streets.

man_made=street_cabinet should be documented as expected regarding the vote
but we also should deal with mistakes before widely use keys.
I'm really puzzled and sorry regarding this particular point.


Best regards


*François Lacombe*

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com
@InfosReseaux <http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux>

2014-11-02 13:23 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer <t.pfeifer at computer.org>:

> Yes I agree, though making the definition more precise by adding the
> worker-can-enter criterion should be fine.
>
> Further examples for the street_cabinet=* vlues can be collected
> on the discussion page meanwhile.
>
> Marc Gemis wrote on 2014-11-01 23:30:
>
>> I wouldn't touch the page until the voting is over. One can always add
>> new values when the tag is in use and document them when needed. New
>> building types are also added all the time. No need to document it right
>> away.
>>
>> just my .5 cents
>>
>> m
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:05 PM, François Lacombe  wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I've already edited Rational paragraph to give a better description
>> with distinction between buildings where workers can enter.
>>
>>     Secondly, ok for street_cabinet=waste (and maybe street_cabinet=waste_management
>> if cabinets are encountered with devices to manage waste transit or storage)
>>
>>     man_made=street_cabinet isn't incompatible with amenity=waste_* and
>> street_cabinet=waste should concern anything regarding waste.
>>
>>     I'm not so friendly with proposal editing while voting.
>>     Nevertheless, with such extensive keys like street_cabinet=* I think
>> users won't mind if we document additional values.
>>     Is everybody ok with it ?
>>
>>     *François Lacombe*
>>
>>     francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu
>>     http://www.infos-reseaux.com
>>
>>     2014-11-01 11:04 GMT+01:00 johnw :
>>
>>         Well, they re not open to the public - only the designated houses
>> in the area can use their station, not anyone else. You don’t use other
>> people’s stations. There is one closer to my house, but I’m not allowed to
>> use it, because the one pictred is
>>         “ours”. it is regualrly maintained, on rotation, by the users of
>> it.
>>
>>         These are not public garbage cans, they are a drop-off point
>> between specific customers and the garbage pickup.
>>
>>         They are not completely private, like a mail transfer box, but
>> they are not public either.
>>
>>         Javbw
>>
>>          > On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
>>          >
>>          > I would distinguish between an amenity=waste_* for structures
>>          > that are open for everybody to bring their waste, with or
>> without fee,
>>          > thus as a POI somebody would navigate to (where can I bring my
>> waste),
>>          > and the cabinet=waste merely describing the street inventory
>>          > (what is that odd locked box for).
>>          >
>>          > johnw wrote on 2014-10-31 07:00:
>>          >> I was going to suggest "Waste Transfer station"
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dwaste_transfer_station
>>          >> But after reading the wiki for it, it was not at all what I
>> expected.
>>          >>
>>          >> In America, at least in most suburban areas, waste is
>> collected from individual residences via bins/cans on the street
>> with(enormous) trucks, so there is no static transfer points whatsoever, it
>> goes from curb to landfill directly.
>>          >>
>>          >> In Japan, There are static waste collection "Garbage
>> stations" [ゴミ ステーション] per street or area, and are often large, steel,
>> screened cages that are stuffed full of 45 liter bags. There is no possible
>> way fro a truck to service the myriad
>>         of little tiny buildings, some of them only on walking paths -
>> even in cities of 100K people, so there is a garbage station for every
>> 20-30 houses or so, or one for a large apartment or company. Temporary ones
>> are merely nets to keep the crows off
>>         the bags, but most are permanent ones worth mapping.
>>          >>
>>          >> My local garbage station (2 cabinets)
>> http://goo.gl/maps/VLgMP
>>          >> a full one nearby http://goo.gl/maps/eqVS3
>>          >>
>>          >>
>>          >> although some are old and look disused, they are used daily
>> or weekly by the populace, and mapping them would be useful on a very local
>> level (like the cabinets in general).
>>          >>
>>          >> Please add a line item for waste transfer, similar to the
>> postal transfer - this is a missing step in the garbage collection, and a
>> cabinet that have been overlooked.
>>          >> Also, I suggest also adding "sliding" for the door hinge
>> option (as the second one has no hinges)
>>          >>
>>          >> Javbw
>>          >>
>>          >> On Oct 31, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
>>          >>
>>          >>> François Lacombe wrote on 2014-10-30 21:42:
>>          >>>> I would suggest street_cabinet=garbage for the equipment
>> you've mentioned.
>>          >>>
>>          >>> maybe =waste is more consistent with existing tags such as
>>          >>> amenity=waste disposal, amenity=waste basket or
>>          >>> generator:source=waste
>>          >>>
>>          >>> Garbage is less used in tags so far.
>>          >>>
>>          >>>> A cabinet is a feature where workers can't enter.
>>          >>>> A building is the opposite.
>>          >>>> Then, substations and other stuff can be divided between
>> those two sorts.
>>          >>>
>>          >>> That's a very plausible distinction and should be documented.
>>          >>>
>>          >>> tom
>>          >
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tagging mailing list
> Tagging at openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/attachments/20141114/59d220e1/attachment.html>


More information about the Tagging mailing list