[Tagging] custom road ref shields

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Fri Nov 28 03:03:41 UTC 2014


Why not just compose this from the network tag on the relation?  I'm almost
certain that was one of the motivating factors to going to route relations
in the first place.

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:48 AM, johnw <johnw at mac.com> wrote:

> I have a question about creating custom road shields, and I know this ties
> into -carto - but I think it needs tags to work, so I’ll start here in the
> tagging list.
>
> I was thinking of a method for adding custom badges or shields to roads
> and generic objects - usually country specific things, such as the icons
> for types of roads, the icons for a police station, etc. This could be used
> for business icons, but I assume there is some kind of legal and rendering
> mess for that, so I’m not talking about businesses - just road shields,
> “emergency”-like icons, etc.
>
> if we come up with a tagging solution that refers to a specific shield,
> then it should be easy for badging to be implemented in -carto and other
> mapping software, right?
>
> Roads:
>
> badge:japan=national_road
> badge:japan=prefectural_road
> badge:japan=tollway
>
> badge:usa=interstate
>
> Different standards in regions of countries could be easily implemented as
> well, along with custom official road tags (like California’s “scenic
> highway designation
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Scenic_Highway_System_(California) )
>
>   (California Scenic highway sign for state roads) = usa-ca-sr-state
>
> By following an easy format  badge:country-region-county-city. I doubt
> there will be *categories* of roads lower than the county level, but you
> never know.
>
> badge:usa-ca=highway
> badge:usa-ca-sr=state
> badge:usa-ca-sandiego=county_road
>
>
> Buildings:
>
> badge:japan=police
>
> This might also work for custom renderings of country specific ways. For
> example, the Shinkansen system is always traditionally rendered with a
> black and white striped line that has longer segments than the normal B&W
> striped lines used for the normal national system train lines system (often
> ~50% longer). Other train lines are rendered with solid black/dark grey
> lines. this is a common way of differentiating the lines, as the stations
> on the lines are the major relative navigational landmarks of Japan (since
> street names and “street numbers” are virtually non-existant).
>
> Even most unofficial maps usually follow these guidelines as well, as this
> one shows.
> (the shinkansen is striped, but it green on this map, the B&W is the
> national JR system, and solid colors are the different “private” lines -
> thin for subway, thick for above-ground)
>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xUSQcEJEcJ0/UHkSfU7qEPI/AAAAAAAAPyU/fdAZDbuGTxk/s1600/tokyo+total+train+map.png
>
> But currently there is no way to dictate what should be shown, and
> standard b&w rendering in -carto is incorrect for Japan.
>
> badge:japan=shinknsen
> badge:japan=jr_line
> badge:japan=private_rail
>
> Maybe this could be done with the colour=* tag [colour=long_bw] but colour
> is currently ignored, AFAIK.
>
>
> The uniformity of country to country rendering in -carto because of the
> lack of a system for taggers to designate which badges/shields to use means
> we are choosing to have a worse map because it doesn’t conform to expected
> local customs; or worse, or we are ignoring the confusion brought by these
> mismatches in renderings  (eg, police icons are uniform, road shields are
> uniform, etc ) as not a problem that needs addressing in OSM directly (ie:
> let -carto worry about it)
>
> I know some of this could be done by regional choices in how -carto
> renders certain tags ( Maybe a new railway=high_speed_rail in Japan is
> rendered differently), but it seems that more fine grain control over
> badges would be a better long term solution for everything.
>
> if we make the tags and the proper references in OSM, and then submit the
> proper bitmap/vector file to -carto (whatever it is that is needed), then
> wouldn’t this be a good solution to remedy the generic ovals found in the
> -carto render, and supply even more information to database users?
>
> Is limiting it to shields for roads to start with make it somewhat more
> manageable, or is the whole thing a bad idea from the start?
>
> If we’re able to have information on what badge or shield (or whatever is
> important) associated with an object in OSM, that information can be used
> by all renderers, right?
>
>
> Javbw
>
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