[Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

Mon Sep 22 14:32:24 UTC 2014

I am American, and the concept of a toll cycleway is not one I have 
encountered either.

On September 22, 2014 3:55:03 AM phil at trigpoint.me.uk wrote:

> Toll? I assume that means the same in US English as in UK English?
>
> You really have to pay to use cycleways? How is the toll collected and 
> enforced?
>
> Phil (trigpoint )
>
> On Sun Sep 21 2014 23:36:04 GMT+0100 (BST), Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Along with this, I really hope renderers start computing surface=* and
> > toll=* values for ALL ways.  I say this since "surface=asphalt,
> > highway=cyclway" is an exceptionally rare combination in the midwestern US,
> > but "highway=cycleway, surface=gravel, toll=yes" is not.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Pee Wee <piewie32 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > -1
> > >
> > > A renderer/router is perfectly capable of deciding what he thinks is
> > > paved/unpaved. He can decide whether he calls gravel / fine_gravel paved or
> > > unpaved. Do not leave the decision paved/unpaved  up to the mapper. Map
> > > what you see. As you may have guessed I prefer surface=asphalt over
> > > surface=paved since the last one could mean that it is gravel.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > PeeWee32
> > >
> > > 2014-09-21 2:49 GMT+02:00 David Bannon <dbannon at internode.on.net>:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> yes, agree strongly. Surface= is a good tag, provides important info but
> > >> it is far too fine grained. Someone setting up a route cannot be
> > >> expected to sift through all the possible values.
> > >>
> > >> Similarly, we may well have a chance to get the renderers to respect a
> > >> clear, on/off tag like the proposed and show it on the maps too.
> > >>
> > >> I see no problem with both tags being used.
> > >>
> > >> I think sometimes we put too much detail in the database and risk making
> > >> the data unusable because of that. Mention making the data usable, we
> > >> see charges of "tagging for the renderer". But this is important, I have
> > >> detailed life threatening issues resulting from unclear maps. This
> > >> proposal will provide valuable, dare I say "usable" info for consumers !
> > >>
> > >> David
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 2014-09-20 at 23:42 +0200, Tomasz Kaźmierczak wrote:
> > >> > Hello all,
> > >> >
> > >> > I've posted the below message on the forum, and have been directed
> > >> > from there to this mailing list, thus re-posting it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Idea
> > >> >
> > >> > I would like to suggest making the paved key for highways (and
> > >> > probably other types of elements) official. Taginfo for paved:
> > >> > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/paved#values
> > >> >
> > >> > The above shows that the key is already being used, but the Wiki
> > >> > doesn't describe this key, instead redirecting Key:paved to the
> > >> > article about Key:surface.
> > >> >
> > >> > Rationale
> > >> >
> > >> > Currently, the surface key is being used as a way of saying that a
> > >> > given highway is paved or unpaved, but often the value for the surface
> > >> > key is not a generic paved or unpaved, but a specific surface type is
> > >> > given.This is of course very useful for describing the particular
> > >> > surface type a given highway has. However, in some cases, a simple
> > >> > information on just whether a highway is paved or not, would be very
> > >> > useful. One such case would be navigation software – if a user chooses
> > >> > to avoid unpaved roads, the software can check the value of the
> > >> > surface key, but in practice most (all?) of the navigation software
> > >> > only checks for a subset of all the possible values the surface key
> > >> > can have. This leads to incorrect (in terms of what the user expects)
> > >> > navigation when, for example, the surface is set to some value that
> > >> > describes an unpaved road, not recognized by the navigation software –
> > >> > if the software assumes that all highways are paved, unless explicitly
> > >> > stated otherwise (by recognized values of known keys), then, in
> > >> > consequence, it assumes that the road in question is paved.
> > >> >
> > >> > If the paved key was widely used, then the navigation software would
> > >> > have a simple and clear way of checking whether a given road is paved
> > >> > or not. The default value of the paved key for highways could be yes,
> > >> > so that it would be consistent with the assumption that highways in
> > >> > general are paved.
> > >> >
> > >> > I don't mean that we should stop using the paved and unpaved values
> > >> > for the surface key – I'm sure those generic values are useful in some
> > >> > cases. However, using the paved key would be also very useful. Also,
> > >> > the surface=paved could also implicate paved=yes and similarly
> > >> > surface=unpaved could implicate paved=no, so that duplication of the
> > >> > information could be avoided when the generic paved and unpaved values
> > >> > are set for the surface key.
> > >> >
> > >> > I believe that adding an article for the paved key to the Wiki would
> > >> > encourage people to use this tag, and navigation software makers to
> > >> > implement support for it in their applications.
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you think about that?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > Tomek
> > >> >
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