[Tagging] diplomatic institutions (with tl;dr)

Kieron Thwaites kieron.thwaites at gmail.com
Tue Aug 25 13:16:20 UTC 2015


Hi,

While I've never tagged any form of diplomatic institution, I agree
with the rationale behind your proposal.  I do have some suggestions
around implementation details.

I would argue that you wouldn't need tags specifying what country the
diplomatic institution is physically located in: one can (or at least,
should!) be able to perform an is_in-type check for this.  The country
that the diplomatic institute belongs to is definitely useful, though.
Additionally, I got "diplomatic:sending" and "diplomatic:destination"
the other way around to you, so I think that you would need clearer
naming.  Perhaps "diplomatic:country" would be more appropriate?

To take your example of a Spanish consulate in France, I would amend
it to something along these lines:

amenity=diplomatic
diplomatic=consulate
diplomatic:country=ES
name=Spanish Consulate
addr:country=FR

Hope this helps.  (:

--K

On 25 August 2015 at 14:21,  <serpens-osm at gmx.de> wrote:
> Short introduction: Let’s take the tagging scheme „fuel“ for example:
>
>   amenity=fuel
>   fuel:diesel=<yes/no>
>   fuel:discount=<discount programme>
>>
> This is logical and consistent: amenity=xy and then a namespace xy:<subkey>=<Tag>
> ---
>
> Now to my topic: diplomatic institution – like an embassy, a consulate, ambassador’s residence, honorary consulate, consulate general, delegation, high commission, permanent mission, (permanent) representation etc.
> We have amenity=embassy since long time. Some of these are tagged on top with the (relatively new) key „diplomatic“ too – a very useful key.
> ---
>
>
>
> So I have two suggestions: *FIRST*
>
> Change amenity=embassy to amenity=diplomatic (this is more consistent and logical, analog to amenity=fuel etc.) or <whatever>=diplomatic. But please not the too specific „amenity=embassy“ – how could I explain a new mapper to tag a non-embassy (like a consulate) as „amenity=embassy“.
>
> for this, see also proposed features:
> - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Embassy (and „talk“ page there)
> ---
>
>
>
> Besides the tagging of the type of diplomatic institution it is super useful to tag a machine-readable country code (at least for the sending country). This is done so far via country=<country code>. This is not the best solution because there are very often misunderstandings – which country? The sending country or the destination (hosting) country? Sometimes target=<country code> is used for the destination (hosting / „targeted“) country.
>
> My *SECOND* suggestion:
>
>   diplomatic:sending=ES       <--- machine-readable ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code
>   diplomatic:destination=FR   <---                  -- " --
>
> It could be also diplomatic:destination_country or diplomatic:target or something like this.
>
> The destination country is not always identical with addr:country – see for example the embassy of Ethiopia in Berlin (destination countries: Germany, Poland, Slovak Republic and Czech Republic), see http://aethiopien-botschaft.de/
>
> for this, see also my osm blog (about tagging country codes on embassies etc.):
> - state 2009: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/5734 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/9082
> - state 2015: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Serpens/diary/28350
> ---
>
>
>
> Because English is not my first language: Dear native speakers, please check if this is correct (sending country / destination country?).
>
> Taginfo:
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=embassy
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/diplomatic
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/country
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/target
>
> Best
> serpens
> ---
>
>
> tl;dr (sorry for the long post!):
>
> Example (Spanish consulate in France – CURRENT STATE):
>
>   amenity=embassy        <--- „oh, look, it’s an embassy!“
>   diplomatic=consulate   <--- contradiction: „uhm, wait, no. it’s a consulate.“
>   country=ES             <--- often misunderstood as „addr:country“
>
>   name=Spanish consulate
>   addr:country=FR
>>
>
> Example (Spanish consulate in France – MY PROPOSAL):
>
>   amenity=diplomatic         <--- it’s a diplomatic institution
>   diplomatic:type=consulate  <--- more specififc: it’s a consulate
>   diplomatic:sending=ES      <--- machine-readable ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code
>   diplomatic:destination=FR  <---                  -- " --
>
>   name=Spanish consulate
>   addr:country=FR
>>
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