[Tagging] Access tags (general question, but mostly regarding bicycle)

John Eldredge john at jfeldredge.com
Mon Aug 31 01:09:37 UTC 2015

Saying "allowed" as the prefix would be less ambiguous than "access", as 
many people are likely to interpret "access" as "is access possible".  
After all, referring to a location as "not wheelchair-accessible" means 
that it difficult to get to via wheelchair, not that wheelchair use is 

John F. Eldredge -- john at jfeldredge.com
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On August 28, 2015 7:42:33 AM Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 28/08/2015 13:15, Anders Fougner wrote:
>> So we should consider replacing the tagging scheme with one which
>> isn't misunderstood so easily.
>> The use of access:foot=*, access:bicycle=* has been proposed at
>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/access_restrictions_1.5#Namespace>
>> but just not taken into use. It looks good, though...and wouldn't be
>> so easily misunderstood, I believe.
> Based on past experience, not going to happen, for all sorts of
> reasons.  Also, I suspect that "access:bicycle" is just as likely to be
> misunderstood as "bicycle".  In addition, I suspect that most people
> making these sorts of mistakes are relatively new mappers using an
> editor that hides tag values from them, so it is also pointless.
> Far better, when you see someone locally tagging incorrectly like that,
> is to talk to them, explain the problem, and suggest which tags they
> should be using.  I'm sure most cycle routers do try and take notice of
> sensible tagging (though there will sometimes be problems that need to
> be bounced to the router maintainers -
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33592375 and
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=32884 spring to mind).
> The "surface" tag is the obvious one; specifically for bikes
> "*mtb:scale* <http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/mtb%3Ascale>" is
> probably the most popular locally to me, but near you it might be
> something else.
> Cheers,
> Andy (SomeoneElse)
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