[Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Tue Feb 3 09:05:38 UTC 2015


 

Surely there is never a law against breaking down. When your car dies,
it dies. If the intention is to persuade people to try to get their
dying vehicle as far as possible to the right (left in the UK), well, we
don't need to tag for that because it is standard. If the intention is
to go against the defaults under some circumstances, 

Same thing really with emergency vehicles. There is no such thing as
"emergency=no" - the police/ambulance etc will go wherever they need to
if it is a real emergency. Therefore there cannot be any such thing as
"emergency=yes", and hence "access=emergency" is effectively the same as
"access=no". Discuss.... 

However, if "access=breakdown" and its derivatives were to mean "access
for tow-trucks on their way to rescue somebody", that would be a
different discussion. 

Colin 

On 2015-02-03 09:02, Martin Vonwald wrote: 

> Hi!
> 
> 2015-02-02 18:06 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>:
> 
> On Feb 2, 2015 8:47 AM, "Martin Vonwald" <imagic.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes - and what tag would that be for emergency stopping only? I think that is my main question. Do we have one for that? 
> 
> parking:lane=emergency seems like a good value.

But those lanes are neither parking lanes nor is parking:lane=emergency
an access value nor can we use it to solve the problem, when those lanes
may be used by other vehicles like motorcycles at any time. 

2015-02-02 18:53 GMT+01:00 Heiko Eckenreiter
<Heiko.Eckenreiter at gmx.net>:

> Am 02.02.2015 um 16:31 schrieb Martin Vonwald:
>> Still the question is unanswered: if, for example, one lane is a
>> emergency/shoulder lane during night and a regular lane during day, how
>> may we map this?
>>
>> access:lanes=yes|yes|now_it_is_a_shoulder @ night
>> access:lanes=yes|yes|yes @ day
> 
> On the german motorway A 8 southeast of Munich I have seen (and continued):
> access:lanes=yes|yes|yes|peak_traffic
> which seems to be a similar concept.

This seems to be an intended replacement for access=.... @ condition,
because peak_traffic is no known access value. It also can not be used
for lanes, which may only be used for break-downs (at some times).
Furthermore we can not use it for lanes which might be used regularly by
other road user.

I guess we don't have a solution for this at the moment. I would suggest
to document a new access value for those, e.g. "breakdown". Or would
malfunction be better suited? Any other suggestions?

We then could tag those lanes, e.g.: 
* vehicle:lanes=....|breakdown @ night + vehicle:lanes=....|yes @ day 
* vehicle:lanes=....|breakdown + motorcycle:lanes=....|yes 

Best regards,
Martin 

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