[Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

Luca Sigfrido Percich luca.percich at gmail.com
Fri Feb 6 18:44:30 UTC 2015


Many thanks Jo!

Volker also suggests that I should see how things are mapped in other major
cities, and so I'll do.

So you confirm that there isn't an established way of expressing the
tram-in-road relationship?

The use of the street relation has been suggested by a fellow member of the
italian discussion group. It's not clear from the wiki, however, if this
relation can be used for associating railways to highways for a single road
segment (from crossroads to crossroads) or is meant for associating
everything which belongs to a single street (so all the railways and
highways which belong to the same street).

I'll investigate further.

Many thanks!

Sig


2015-02-06 19:26 GMT+01:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:

> Ciao Luca,
>
> For an example of a road with many variations in how the tram tracks are
> embedded, you can have a look at this stretch I mapped a few months ago:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/50.8601/4.3117
>
> To indicate how they belong together, maybe a street or associatedStreet
> relation makes sense?
>
> Jo
>
> 2015-02-06 17:29 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich <luca.percich at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> first time I write to the list (after lurking for a while), so I
>> introduce myself. I am from Milano - Italy, I work for the municipality's
>> agency for environment and mobility, and we'we been working for the last
>> months to integrate our road graph with OSM.
>>
>> Currently in Milano all tram tracks are mapped separately, so they are
>> all oneway and no way has both highway=* and railway=tram tags (apart from
>> some cases we're correcting).
>>
>> Now, we would like to store the information wether a certain railway
>> track runs in a road sharing the same space with motor vehicles.
>>
>> I am referring to situations similar to this one:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Tram_Amadeo.jpg
>>
>> Which is here on the map:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.470987/9.236118
>>
>> I searched the wiki for a tagging or relation scheme, but found none.
>>
>> I was thinking about a simple tagging scheme: tram=yes|forward|backward
>> for the highway, and road=yes for the railway.
>>
>> From the previous example (the picture points at the opposite direction
>> of the highway on which it was taken:
>>
>> For the center way (road):
>>
>> tram=yes (it's on both directions)
>>
>> and on the two railways:
>> road=yes (the track lies on a road used by motor vehicles)
>>
>> We could also user a lanes modifier:
>> lanes=3
>> lanes:backward=2
>> tram:lanes:backward=yes|no
>> tram:forward=yes
>>
>> The tram tag should not be used for tracks which run separated from the
>> road (they are tagged with railway=tram).
>>
>> The tram tag should go along with access tags, as we have lanes reserved
>> for trams and buses/taxis:
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Tram_xxii_marzo.jpg
>>
>> So the center way (carriageway reserved to psv with two tram tracks in
>> shared space) would get tagged as:
>> access=no
>> bus=yes
>> taxi=yes
>> tram=yes
>>
>> We could also think about a relation, type=tram_on_road, it could be
>> useful for sorting things out in complex multi-carriageway situations like
>> this one:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.49833/9.19607
>>
>> but would also be more difficult for users to mantain and for clients to
>> consume.
>>
>> Any suggestions / impressions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sig
>>
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