[Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

Luca Sigfrido Percich luca.percich at gmail.com
Mon Feb 9 07:57:53 UTC 2015


Sorry I meant the railway tag. just added a note on the map

2015-02-09 8:54 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich <luca.percich at gmail.com>:

> Hi Jo,
>
> I was looking closely at your example, and noticed that maybe the highway
> tag is missing from this way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40283536
> because the tram line looks interrupted there.
>
> Sig
>
> 2015-02-07 1:12 GMT+01:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:
>
>> The reason to use separate ways for trams can be seen in the other tram
>> tracks I mapped:
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.83181/4.33280
>>
>> You can clearly see that very often the rails don't follow the asphalt
>> where the cars drive. Cars can make 90 degree turns, the tram rails need to
>> follow smoother curves.
>>
>> So it's only in situations where buses follow the tram bedding:
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.82432/4.33561
>>
>> that one can have common ways for the tram and that service road.
>>
>> * For normal streets we draw 2 ways for the tracks and 1 for the asphalt
>> road.
>> * For dual carriageways we draw 2 ways for the tracks and 2 for each side
>> + sometimes a service way between the tracks, when the buses use it too.
>>
>> It's rather exceptional that the service road and the tram rails can use
>> the same OSM way.
>>
>> Keep in mind it's only a model to represent reality. A model which uses
>> lines for what in reality are areas, so whatever we do, it will never be a
>> perfect fit.
>>
>>
>> I'm sure André won't agree with me, but to implement the solution he
>> proposes, we'd have to restart OSM from scratch. And even though it may
>> simplify and solve some things, it would make other stuff a lot harder.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> 2015-02-07 0:31 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić <janjko at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> 2015-02-06 17:29 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich <luca.percich at gmail.com
>>> >:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> We could also user a lanes modifier:
>>>> lanes=3
>>>> lanes:backward=2
>>>> tram:lanes:backward=yes|no
>>>> tram:forward=yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think this is the best way to tag this. There's a great map paint
>>> style for seeing roads in towns in JOSM, and it helps a lot with tagging
>>> lanes. It's called Lanes and road attributes. Unfortunately, it doesn't
>>> show trams, but if we start tagging them, it will probably start rendering
>>> them. Right now, I use psv:lanes:forward=designated|no, because psv means
>>> all public service vehicles.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes:psv
>>>
>>> And in my town those lanes are reserved for trams, buses and taxis.
>>>
>>> Janko Mihelić
>>>
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