[Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

Dave Swarthout daveswarthout at gmail.com
Tue Feb 17 14:00:09 UTC 2015


Excellent job. Thanks for all your hard work.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:10 PM, John Willis <johnw at mac.com> wrote:

> I added two sections to the wiki - Purpose and limitations to try to spell
> out what we talked about.
>
> I also wrote that POW on an area as a landuse for most uses will be
> superseded by landuse=religious, and the POW tag is very important as a tag
> for a building or physical object that resides inside the larger landuse.
>
> I gave an example as to why that is the case.
>
> Please let me know if that clarifies the landuse sufficiently.
>
> PS I want to use the same exact line of reasoning For landuse=civic
> (civic_admin, civic_service).
>
> Javbw
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:51 AM, John Willis <johnw at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> 2015-02-16 14:20 GMT+01:00 John Willis <johnw at mac.com>:
>
>> So far I have not experienced a problem with adding "religion" and
>> "denomination" tags to features operated by a religious community and have
>> continued to use the same landuse I'd use otherwise on the same kind of
>> feature (if any). What would I gain by adding "landuse=religious"?
>>
>>
>> To map the _grounds_ of religious facilities where the predominant use is
>> worship, and support facilities for the meeting and rituals and various
>> things happen.
>>
>
>
> OK, I think I finally understood the definition, and I agree that
> landuse=religious is a fine tag for these (e.g. including the parking of
> the church). IMHO the wiki page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dreligious should be
> corrected to be as explicit as you have been here today.
>
>
> I'll try to update the wiki today (though I wasn't involved with this
> page's creation) and I'll ask for feedback here when I am done.
>
>
> The words "ground of religious facilities" and "predominant use of
> worship" are crucial here IMHO --- for instance a place where the politics
> or administration of a church are managed won't qualify under this
> definition (but should be tagged as commercial I guess, right? We could
> still add a religion tag there).
>
> Still there will be some strangeness in some cases, as we already have
> established landuse=cemetery, which might also qualify in some cases for
> landuse=religious.
>
>
> Although the churches in California I know of do not have a cemetery on
> the grounds, every single temple here in Japan does - even the ones in
> Tokyo, so finding a very old cemetery hemmed in by a 25 story building, a
> train line, a river, and residential housing (and still on the temple
> grounds) is common.
>
> There are stand-alone cemeteries as well, and most neighborhoods have
> little tiny 5x5m or so somewhat private cemeteries everywhere (every 2-300m
> or so) over all of Japan, so I am not saying they are all
> landuse=religious, but some larger ones on the temple grounds certainly
> are, and it is an "amenity" of the temple - it's a big deal/expense to have
> a family grave on the temple grounds.
>
> Can you have nested landuses? It is clearly part of the temple grounds,
> and clearly a cemetery. I would tag it that way, but I don't know if I'm
> breaking done rule by doing that.
>
> Javbw
>
>
>
>
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>
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