[Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

David Bannon dbannon at internode.on.net
Tue Feb 24 07:55:39 UTC 2015

On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 06:15 +0000, Jan van Bekkum wrote:

> What to do with places where one cannot camp? 

Thats hard Jan, in a way by specifying a spot you cannot camp, it sort
of implies you can camp everywhere else. Thats impractical. But your
examples mostly focus on what were once campsites and are now not. So is
it camp_site=closed (or disused or similar) ?

I guess the renderers would need to trap that particular camp_site= and
it has the potential to confuse. So, I'd tend to just not map it to be


> I have run in many situations where it would be really useful to have
> those on the map. I am thinking of the following situations:
>       * A camping used to exist at the place but stopped business;
>       * A hotel owner offered camping on his premises, but stopped
>         doing so;
>       * Police has chased away people who tried to wild camp at the
>         location;
>       * Campers have been robbed at the location;
>       * Camping is not allowed, because it is in a protected area.
> Any suggestions?
> Regards,
> Jan
> On Tue Feb 24 2015 at 5:25:02 AM Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
> wrote:
>         On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>
>         wrote:
>                 On 24/02/2015 9:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
>                 > Forget the fee.
>                 > 
>                 > 
>                 > What about "official" vs. "unofficial".
>                 > A campsite supported by the landowner may be fee or not.
>                 > 
>                 > A habitually used camp spot may have a home on OSM, but should be
>                 > marked as "not supported by the landowner or land manager".
>                 > Same for unofficial trails.
>                 Define 'unofficial'? 
>         Not speaking for Bryce, however, I could see a usage case for
>         something like this.  For example, in my 20s I used to go 4x4
>         in Mt. Hood National Forest all the time.  And throughout the
>         MHNF, especially once you crossed the Cascade divide at
>         roughly the meridian of Mt. Hood's peak, and were therefore
>         also on the dry side of the range, people can and do camp
>         wherever they damn well please.  There's hundreds, if not
>         thousands, of tiny, unofficial camp sites not associated with
>         any campground that have no facilities (except for perhaps a
>         fire pit and a wide spot to unload your truck and pitch a
>         tent), and due to the fact you're having to hump in your own
>         water, hump out your own trash, and dig your own latrine, no
>         fee.  The Forest Service doesn't really know where they are or
>         keep track of them beyond the collective knowledge of the USFS
>         Rangers, they're just there because enough people have camped
>         in the same spot.
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