[Tagging] Fuel shops

Andrew Errington erringtona at gmail.com
Thu Mar 19 13:34:16 UTC 2015


But, it *is* a fuel amenity.  It's down to the individual what picture they
have in their mind.  Additional tags would clarify this, but I don't think
alternative tags are needed.

You could set all the fuel types to no (fuel:*=no), or add a new one
(fuel:motorbike=yes).  Or add motorbike=fuel.

Keeping it as amenity=fuel means all mapping tools and search tools
continue to work.

On Thursday, 19 March 2015, Jan van Bekkum <jan.vanbekkum at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would prefer a different tag as I would not like the lemonade table to
> be rendered in the same way as a regular filling station. The tag shop=gas
> with subtag would be better.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM Andrew Errington <erringtona at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','erringtona at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I think they should remain as amenity=fuel (I have visited Thailand and I
>> know what you mean).  Local people will know what to expect, but for
>> clarity perhaps subtags should be used to add detail and differentiate
>> between a filling station and a "lemonade stand" selling fuel.
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 March 2015, Lukas Sommer <sommerluk at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sommerluk at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> In Benin (Africa) these shops exist also – mostly only a table with
>>> some big bottles with fuel.
>>>
>>> 2015-03-19 9:18 GMT, Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>:
>>> > I want to float an idea to get your reactions. Here in Thailand, and
>>> > especially in rural areas, there are hundreds of shops that sell motor
>>> fuel
>>> > in small quantities. Most of the population drive motorbikes which are
>>> used
>>> > for every sort of transport imaginable. They have a tiny petrol tank,
>>> > perhaps 4-5 liters, therefore a short range; they need frequent
>>> fill-ups.
>>> > To meet this need local individuals have set up small sheds or kiosks
>>> from
>>> > which they hand pump the small quantities needed. Some shops sell fuel
>>> by
>>> > the liter bottle, often a whiskey bottle. Such shops are poorly marked,
>>> > seldom have any signs indicating their presence and typically offer no
>>> > other services. If you live in the area you will know where the fuel
>>> shop
>>> > is, otherwise they're almost invisible
>>> >
>>> > At any rate, we're looking for a way to tag these fuel shops in such a
>>> way
>>> > that they become visible in OSM (and on our GPS units), and will not be
>>> > mistaken for a full size fuel service station. Current tagging
>>> practice is
>>> > to tag them with amenity=fuel and a made up name, for example, Bike
>>> petrol
>>> > or Drummed fuel. The people doing this are aware of the fact that such
>>> > tagging isn't strictly correct, but they understandably want to be
>>> able to
>>> > find those shops should they run out of fuel. One problem with this
>>> > Thailand-centric approach, is that other data consumers are unaware of
>>> it.
>>> > Another is that the informal names are multiplying rapidly and one
>>> mapper's
>>> > drummed fuel is another's barreled fuel and another's Bike petrol.
>>> Where it
>>> > will end is anyone's guess.
>>> >
>>> > I'm suggesting an addition to the values of the shop key: shop=fuel or
>>> > perhaps shop=motor_fuel
>>> >
>>> > My goal is to standardize the tagging so that at some point these
>>> shops can
>>> > be eventually rendered on Garmin compatible downloaded maps and hence
>>> made
>>> > visible. I have done this for my custom Garmin maps and find it a real
>>> > asset.
>>> >
>>> > Here is a photo of such a shop in my neighborhood:
>>> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ABarreled_fuel_shop.jpg
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Dave Swarthout
>>> > Homer, Alaska
>>> > Chiang Mai, Thailand
>>> > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lukas Sommer
>>>
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