[Tagging] Fuel shops

johnw johnw at mac.com
Fri Mar 20 02:40:04 UTC 2015

I have a similar issue in Japan. Japan uses kerosene for portable heaters in the winter, and there is no real fuel delivery (to a consumer), such as heating oil in the Eastern US. Everyone in Japan has use use plastic 5Gal/18-20L tanks carried in the car and kept outside the house for filling even smaller cans that insert into a room heater. most homes here have tanks of kerosene outside their house (in specially designed tank holders and tank chests, of course).

There are two sources of Kerosene everywhere in Japan.

1) Most gas stations have a separate Roof/pump combo for people to bring their  tanks to. Although it essentially is an ordinary gas pump, it is not for cars.  It has a large step in front where you can set your gas can to fill it. People bring there kerosene cans to the location for filling. These are always separated from he gas pump islands, and often mappable when micro-mapping a gas station. Maybe this is an amenity of the gas station, as just another fuel they offer (like diesel), but I would consider tagging it separately if I can map it. 

2) The second is where these Thai fuel stations intersects with my case. Many home stores / DIY stores also sell Kerosene, with a similar stand and filling equipment - with no gas station for cars. Tagging this as a gas station seems really wrong. I’m talking about permanent buildings and underground tanks - but for Kerosene distributed into plastic tanks. I’m not talking about bottled gas they sell for string trimmers inside - I’m talking about a mini gas station just for kerosene - an unorthodox fuel distribution system that should be mapped, but should be differentiated from a “gas station” 

DIY store 1 https://goo.gl/maps/YTQnz <https://goo.gl/maps/YTQnz>  The small blue pushcarts on the ground help you move the full tanks from the pumps to your car (access to most pumps is restricted to foot only). They sell gasoline 300m away at a 25 pump standard gas station. This so a totally separate amenity not to be confused with a gas station. 

DIY store 2 https://goo.gl/maps/I8n2y <https://goo.gl/maps/I8n2y> a smaller 1 pump kerosene stand. It still uses a gas-station style pump, but it is in the small building. Note the (blurry) red gas can icon.  In the background, there is a blue gas station in the distance, not related.

Gas station https://goo.gl/maps/4S8Gh <https://goo.gl/maps/4S8Gh>  Note there are two separate islands. The small one to the right is the kerosene stand. The woman is loading a filled can, with a plastic bag over it (to keep the smell down). More push carts too. 

If the DIY kerosene stands were tagged as gas stations, there would be thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of gas stations across Japan that are not gas stations. 

So I agree we should use shop=fuel.

This would separate the proper gas stations (even makesift stands, as long as they hve pumps and presumed large supply of gasoline). and these stands for fuel distribution in an unexpected or non-vehecle oriented way. 

Then the fuel type can be tagged (kerosene, gasoline, etc),

For the example in Thailand, you can tag a fuel stand and add a fuel type tag for Gasoline.

this way, we can differentiate it from the gas pump by using the icon of a Gas Can, the traditional rectangle with the X on the side. The can may imply the source of the gasoline is non-traditional (Thailand) or the can is the method accepted by the shop (Japan). 

Maybe a ranger station or boat dock or emergency service also has some kind of unothodox fuel distribution system using cans or containers, open to the public this would work for that as well. 

 (pulled from google image search). 


> On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Jan van Bekkum <jan.vanbekkum at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would prefer a different tag as I would not like the lemonade table to be rendered in the same way as a regular filling station. The tag shop=gas with subtag would be better.
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM Andrew Errington <erringtona at gmail.com <mailto:erringtona at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I think they should remain as amenity=fuel (I have visited Thailand and I know what you mean).  Local people will know what to expect, but for clarity perhaps subtags should be used to add detail and differentiate between a filling station and a "lemonade stand" selling fuel.
> On Thursday, 19 March 2015, Lukas Sommer <sommerluk at gmail.com <mailto:sommerluk at gmail.com>> wrote:
> In Benin (Africa) these shops exist also – mostly only a table with
> some big bottles with fuel.
> 2015-03-19 9:18 GMT, Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com <>>:
> > I want to float an idea to get your reactions. Here in Thailand, and
> > especially in rural areas, there are hundreds of shops that sell motor fuel
> > in small quantities. Most of the population drive motorbikes which are used
> > for every sort of transport imaginable. They have a tiny petrol tank,
> > perhaps 4-5 liters, therefore a short range; they need frequent fill-ups.
> > To meet this need local individuals have set up small sheds or kiosks from
> > which they hand pump the small quantities needed. Some shops sell fuel by
> > the liter bottle, often a whiskey bottle. Such shops are poorly marked,
> > seldom have any signs indicating their presence and typically offer no
> > other services. If you live in the area you will know where the fuel shop
> > is, otherwise they're almost invisible
> >
> > At any rate, we're looking for a way to tag these fuel shops in such a way
> > that they become visible in OSM (and on our GPS units), and will not be
> > mistaken for a full size fuel service station. Current tagging practice is
> > to tag them with amenity=fuel and a made up name, for example, Bike petrol
> > or Drummed fuel. The people doing this are aware of the fact that such
> > tagging isn't strictly correct, but they understandably want to be able to
> > find those shops should they run out of fuel. One problem with this
> > Thailand-centric approach, is that other data consumers are unaware of it.
> > Another is that the informal names are multiplying rapidly and one mapper's
> > drummed fuel is another's barreled fuel and another's Bike petrol. Where it
> > will end is anyone's guess.
> >
> > I'm suggesting an addition to the values of the shop key: shop=fuel or
> > perhaps shop=motor_fuel
> >
> > My goal is to standardize the tagging so that at some point these shops can
> > be eventually rendered on Garmin compatible downloaded maps and hence made
> > visible. I have done this for my custom Garmin maps and find it a real
> > asset.
> >
> > Here is a photo of such a shop in my neighborhood:
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ABarreled_fuel_shop.jpg <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ABarreled_fuel_shop.jpg>
> >
> > --
> > Dave Swarthout
> > Homer, Alaska
> > Chiang Mai, Thailand
> > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com <http://dswarthout.blogspot.com/>
> >
> --
> Lukas Sommer
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