[Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

[David Bannon]

Tod, nice work but I am concerned about the syntax you have chosen for
two reasons.

1. Given that it was agreed that the larger site is the camp_site and
there are pitch within the camp_site (UK terminology), then
camp_site=camp_site_pitch is an oxymoron, as a term it does not make
sense.

2. There is currently a proposal under voting using camp-site= in a
different way.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Camp_Site

This proposal is entirely consistent with the pitch proposal except for
the naming issue.  Or are you suggesting camp_site_pitch be added to the
list of possible values for camp_site=  ?  :-(

Now, personally, I did not like using camp_site as meaning the whole
camp ground but took the advice that we should use UK terms. 

I would have preferred "camp_ground" and set up camp on a "camp_site".
Bryce raised the issue of usage of camp_site=pitch, that indicates to me
that others also think of a camp site as that one caravan structure. But
we are, apparently, locked into UK terms.

Tod, think you also need to put the proposed tag into context. It should
be used only in association with tourism=camp_site or
tourism=caravan_site ?

David

On Fri,
2015-05-0http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Camp_Site1
at 14:51 -0700, Tod Fitch wrote:
> I’ve created a proposal page
> at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch that, I hope, reflects the more recent discussion on this topic.
> 
> 
> Please feel free to comment on it here, on the discussion page
> associated with that wiki entry or even go ahead and edit the
> proposal.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Tod
> 
> > On May 1, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Bryce Nesbitt <bryce2 at obviously.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Tod Fitch <tod at fitchdesign.com>
> > wrote:
> >         Most public campgrounds in US Forests, US Parks and, at
> >         least in California, state parks don’t have a verifiable
> >         street address. And backcountry (hike or walk-in) campsites
> >         sometimes have numbered pitches but definitely don’t have a
> >         street address. For these I think ref=* would be the best
> >         fit.
> > 
> > 
> > If osm-carto renders one, but not the other, that will skew the
> > tagging.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > For USA park camgrounds often there IS a verifiable street address,
> > but it's miles away from the actual campground.
> > Even so: if you tell a router you want to go to "Foo Campground",
> > and that's mapped as an area, the router really has all
> > 
> > the information it needs to process addr:unit.
> > 
> > 
> > I see pitch numbers as a good osm-carto feature, as they occur in
> > areas of the map that are uncluttered or even blank.  As such
> > they don't have the downsides of rendering things like bicycle tool
> > stands or dog waste bins, which receive objections based on clutter.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Keep in mind that some piches are named, just as some apartment
> > complexes or rooms are named.  And a pitch could have both a name
> > an  a ref.
> > 
> > 
> > add:unit=Willow Camp
> > camp_site=Willow Camp
> > 
> > name=Willow Camp
> > 
> > pitch:name=Willow Camp
> > ref=AZ2
> > 
> > 
> > add:unit=2
> > ref=2
> > camp_site=2
> > name=2
> > 
> > pitch:name=2
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         > Or with a more proper namespace:
> >         > 
> >         >      camp_site=pitch
> >         >      pitch:drinking_water=no
> >         >      pitch:picnic_table=yes
> >         
> >         
> >         The more I think about it, the more I like this example
> >         “with a more proper namespace”.
> >         
> >         
> >         Procedurally, how to go forward? Should this be a new
> >         proposal page or an edit of the old subsection of the old
> >         camp_site extended features proposal?
> > 
> > 
> > Or
> > >      camp_site=camp_pitch
> > >      camp_pitch:drinking_water=no
> > >      camp_pitch:picnic_table=yes
> > >      name=2
> > >      addr:unit=2
> > 
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