[Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

[Satoshi IIDA]

There are Japanese "non-baked" confectioneries.
(I believe similar confectioneries in other countries. esp. in Asia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagashi

If we take only a) plan, I'm afraid of we could not represent cultural
variations.

+1 to Janko's a+b),
and to express the specialty, moltonel's "confectionery:FOO=yes
confectionery:BAR=yes".



2015-05-12 0:24 GMT+09:00 Janko Mihelić <janjko at gmail.com>:

> I would be more in favor of a+b) because you might want to tag a place
> with shop=pastry because 95% of their assortiment is pastry, but they have
> 5% candy so you add candy=yes.
>
> Janko
>
> pon, 11. svi 2015. 17:12 Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhauser at gmail.com> je
> napisao:
>
>> In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged
>> as bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do have to
>> bake them, right? :)
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo <moltonel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I believe there is some overlap between the shop values
>>> >
>>> > confectionery
>>> > pastry
>>> > candy
>>> > sweets
>>> >
>>> > shop=confectionery is used much more often than the other 3 (10K vs.
>>> 300
>>> > vs. 100 vs. 50) and is likely covering all of these, but is quite
>>> generic.
>>> > For the very reason it can be used for both: pastry (baker's
>>> confections)
>>> > and candy (sugar confections), it is often less useful IMHO (at least
>>> > without subtag, which is currently not documented). "often", because in
>>> > some countries these tend to be distinct shops, but in other contexts
>>> there
>>> > might be shops that are offering both kind.
>>> >
>>> > If you are looking for sugar confections or baker's confections,
>>> finding a
>>> > shop that only sells the other variant of confections will not be
>>> helpful
>>> > but rather a big annoyance.
>>> >
>>> > From previous discussions on this matter I believe to remember that
>>> > "pastry" is actually not covering the entire subset of baker's
>>> confections,
>>> > so the term might be less appropriate.
>>> >
>>> > "sweets" is not very specific neither, is not defined in the wiki and
>>> can
>>> > maybe cover both, candy and pastry, or might be a synonym for
>>> candy/sugar
>>> > confections (I am not sure about this, would be nice to hear what the
>>> > natives say). It also doesn't seem to add any additional information
>>> with
>>> > respect to confectionery, so I would suggest to deprecate its use
>>> > completely.
>>> >
>>> > I think we could deal with this situation in several ways:
>>> >
>>> > a) use confectionery, pastry and candy as competing top-level tags and
>>> > suggest to be the most specific where possible (i.e. aim to have only
>>> mixed
>>> > shops tagged with the generic confectionery tag and recommend the more
>>> > specific pastry and candy tags where applicable).
>>> >
>>> > b) recommend to only use confectionery as the main top level tag and
>>> use
>>> > subtags like bakers_confectionery=yes and/or sugar_confectionery=yes to
>>> > make the distinction
>>> >
>>> > c) your suggestion here
>>> >
>>> > Personally I favor b). What do you think?
>>>
>>> My initial reaction was "there's no overlap between pastry and
>>> confectionery, they are totally different things". Some cultural
>>> background: in France, shops selling candys are very rare, but shops
>>> selling pastries are very common because bread shops are everywhere
>>> and usually also sell pastries and danishes. Pastry-only shops are
>>> quite rare. See also shop=patisserie (62 uses).
>>>
>>> But using shop=confectionery and refining that into raw sug^W^Wsubtags
>>> makes sense too.
>>>
>>> For the subtag itself, I'm not a fan of FOO_confectionery=yes: I think
>>> that confectionery=FOO follows established tag-creation best practices
>>> better. It's used a bit in the db already. And if one needs to tag
>>> multiple types, either "confectionery=FOO;BAR" or
>>> "confectionery:FOO=yes confectgionery:BAR=yes" works for me (but I
>>> prefer the later).
>>>
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