[Tagging] new access value

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Tue Oct 6 08:45:15 UTC 2015

People, sometimes creatively, put lots of stuff on signs that don't
necessarily correspond to the set of values that is actually supported
by law*. It frankly doesn't make sense to try and capture each fine
semantic difference (wit visitor vs. destination), particularly as  it
may simply be misguided to start with.

Your Anrainer vs. Anrainerverkehr example for AT doesn't seem to be any
different than the Anwohner/Anlieger difference in DE, which
semantically for routing purposes boils down to private/destination
(which I suspect most routers wouldn't actually differentiate in any case).

@Marc can you point to a reference that shows that "uitgezonderd
aangelanden" is anything else than creativity? Your relevant regulations
seem to only know about "plaatselijk verkeer"


* naturally there are often access restrictions issued by a court, but
they tend to have longer text inferencing the decision and detailing the

Am 06.10.2015 um 09:16 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann:
> On 06.10.2015 07:15, Marc Gemis wrote:
>> And (Flemish) Dutch "aangelanden (verkeer)". 
>> We also have the difference between 
>> "uitgezonderd plaatselijk verkeer" = "except destination"
>> "uitgezonderd aangelanden" = "except 'visitor'"
>> and I even saw
>> "uitgezonderd bewoners" = "except inhabitants" 
>> once on a street.
> I'm glad to see that the tag I'm going to propose will be useful for at
> least one other country.
> You can then use:
> uitgezonderd plaatselijk verkeer ... vehicle=destination
> uitgezonderd aangelanden ... vehicle=<proposed new value>
> uitgezonderd bewoners ... vehicle=private
>> Wonder whether a moving or delivery company would be
>> allowed in the latter case. Or whether someone would try to enforce it in
>> such case.
> I don't know Belgian law, but it might be similar to the situation in
> Austria where "ausgenommen Anrainer" only means residents, no
> moving/delivering companies. That caused lots of problems, because residents
> wanted things delivered to their homes. That's why "ausgenommen
> Anrainerverkehr" was invented, and many "...Anrainer" signs have been
> replaced by "...Anrainerverkehr" signs over the decades. This process will
> surely continue.

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