[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Education 2.0

[Marc Gemis]

I wouldn't go that far, but I assume that in 1 country the majority of
driving schools have the same system: begin course based, and with a
parttime-regime and you can get all common driver licenses.

So for some uses amenity=driving_school is more than sufficient. I
understand that when you want to write a world-wide GIS application,
you want more structure. You might want to find all course-based
institutions.
But do we need to place this in OSM ? Should we repeat the same tags
for every driving school in a country over and over again ? Can't that
be added by the data consumer ?

Can't we keep some of the complexity out of OSM and move it a another
database ? In this case a dedicated database that can answer all
possible questions about schools. Such a database can even be
targetted to 1 country and have a specific structure for that country.

The main problem is navigation vs. GIS applications For navigation a
broad category is sufficient. When you have to drive to a kindergarten
you don't care about the religion, you should need it's address (or
coordinates).

I have a hard time to explain what I really mean, but when I am abroad
and I look a a supermarket, I don't know what I can expect there
neither: do they sell fresh meat or only prepacked, is it a discount
supermarket, is there a service to help me choosing fish, will there
be a wine department, etc.

Still we have only 1 tag for that in osm: shop=supermarket and don't
require mappers to add tags that are obvious for them. They know what
they can expect when they see a supermarket of brand X.

But for schools (where OSM will be used much less to make a choice),
we require all kinds of additional tags which makes it harder to map ?

Feel free to continue your proposal, I won't vote anyhow. And keep on
using amenity=driving_school. :-)

regards

m


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Шишкин Александр (Shishkin Ale
<kedermail at gmail.com> wrote:
> You can probably have tags amenity=driving_school_category_b,
> amenity=dancing_teaching_center and other purely descriptional tags and it
> would be a mess and headache to sort and retrieve information. IMHO, it is
> much better to have alternative advanced tagging system from which data
> users can benefit much (e.g. search by school's speciality).
> 14.04.2016 19:00, Marc Gemis пишет:
>
>> but then you should clearly explain why 5 "complex" tags for a driving
>> school is better than 1.
>> And in case you do not really need them all five, the proposal should
>> better indicate the required tags for a driving school and the
>> optional ones. I think "education_system:de_standard=yes",
>> "education_form:parttime=yes" and
>> "education_program:driving_licence:eu_b=yes" are optional. This would
>> simplify the tagging dramatically, not ?
>>
>>
>> I see a lot of similarity with healthcare 2.0, similar possibilities,
>> similar complexity, and ... similar adoption rate ??
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Александр Шишкин <kedermail at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I (or anyone else) can not just force mappers to use or not to use
>>> certain tags. Only way to deal with it is to give them better way to tag
>>> things. That's what this proposal is about.
>>>
>>> 2016-04-14 10:06 GMT+03:00 Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Шишкин Александр (Shishkin Ale
>>>> <kedermail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume that tags related to education that have been approved and do
>>>>> not
>>>>> have "education" key should remain (not sure what to do with unapproved
>>>>> tags).
>>>>
>>>> I cannot advise on that. Not everybody is giving the same weight to
>>>> the approval process. A usage of  7681 for amenity=driving school is
>>>> not something that can be neglected IMHO, even when it's not approved
>>>> (given they were not all imported by 1 person).
>>>>
>>>> m.
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