[Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

Toby Murray toby.murray at gmail.com
Tue Feb 9 01:39:00 UTC 2016


Well if you fire up iD and start typing Home Depot, Lowes, Menards or Ace
Hardware, they all end up with shop=doityourself.

The doityourself tag has always seemed a little awkward to me for some
reason. I feel like Home Depot makes a good chunk of their money on
professional contractors who buy supplies there. This is - by definition -
NOT doing it yourself :) This is why I have tended to use shop=hardware
myself so a chunk of those 148 might be my doing. But really I have no idea
if that is correct or not.

Toby


On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It is a difficult choice, I agree. In my own tagging I use shop=hardware
> if tools and fasteners are the main items sold. A doityourself shop, like
> Home Depot, also sells these things but has a wide variety of building or
> construction materials that are the main items being sold. Judging which
> category less well known shops fall into is often only a guess.
>
> When I was younger Home Depot and other large shops like it didn't exist.
> There were only "hardware stores" where one could buy tools,nuts, bolts,
> locks, and assorted kitchen and bath furnishings. For anything beyond that
> one had to go to a building supply store. Now we are in the era of
> superstores and distinctions have gotten fuzzy. Maybe providing guidance in
> the Wiki about how to tag certain well known chains would be useful? For
> example, I would tag Ace Hardware as a shop=hardware while Lowes and Home
> Depot would get the shop=doityourself tag.
>
> This is not the answer you're looking for but I'm not sure there is one
> correct answer to this issue.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Matthijs Melissen <
> info at matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We currently have separate tags for shop=doityourself (37 857
>> instances) and shop=hardware (24 674 instances).
>>
>> The OSM wiki gives the following definitions:
>>
>> Do-it-yourself:
>> | Do-It-Yourself-stores (DIY for short) are similar to hardware stores,
>> except
>> | they are generally larger and stock a wider range of products.
>> | Products sold may include hand tools, power tools, self-assembly
>> furniture,
>> | decorating products, bathroom and kitchen furniture and fittings, garden
>> | furniture, electrical goods, fencing, flooring, and more.
>>
>> Hardware:
>> | A hardware store, sometimes known as an ironmongers shop in the UK, is
>> | where you can buy screws and bolts, nails, hooks and other metal
>> materials as
>> | well as metal tools.
>> | A hardware shop will often stock a wide range of products which can
>> include
>> | building, electrical, plumbing supplies, garden tools, power tools,
>> kitchenware,
>> | homeware, locks, keys, and a key-cutting. Where these types of
>> product/service
>> | are supplied in isolation, a different tag may be more appropriate.
>>
>> As you can see, these definitions are quite similar. Not surprisingly,
>> taggers have problems with these definitions too. Some examples
>> * Home Depot in the US is tagged home depot 1161 times as
>> shop=doityourself, but also 148 times as shop=hardware.
>> * True Value, according to the wiki a prototypical American hardware
>> store, is tagged 74 times as shop=doityourself and 106 times as
>> shop=hardware.
>> * The Dutch shop Hubo, which might fit the Hardware definition better,
>> is tagged 23 times as shop=doityourself and only 4 times as
>> shop=hardware.
>>
>> Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between shop=doityourself
>> and shop=hardware? If so, how could we make the difference more
>> precise?
>>
>> -- Matthijs
>>
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