bill.n1vux at gmail.com
Wed Nov 2 20:47:42 UTC 2016
>From above discussion it sounds like it should be ptv=designated not
psv, but public bus access is PSV in the EN side of wiki; PTV is only
in DE/NL wiki ?? Maybe a wiki problem there too.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Tijmen Stam <mailinglists at iivq.net> wrote:
> But, your explanation if highway=unclassified needing to connect to at least
> one tertiary makes the following case contradictionary:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/53672494 is now mistagged as residential.
> It is a busway, sandwiched between two true residential roads. The only
> non-service road type that would apply here is unclassified, yet it can't be
> that one as being only connected to residentials :-)
I see no problem with calling that bus-only shortcut a 'service' way.
Getting too pedantic about literal definitions when we can't have
every edge case covered in every language on the wiki is delightful
but pointless pedantry.
But since it's a through-route (albeit access=psv|bus|ptv whatever) i
could accept 'unclassified' too. And that might not be an exception if
we think logically ...
If a bus-route runs through a residential neighborhood, the
(otherwise obviously) residential streets it uses may be upgraded to
unclassified or tertiary by being the through-route or primary
ingress/egress of the neighborhood?
(Is this mapping what is on the ground? yes. When driving around,
seeing signage indicating a bus-route tells me this is a more major
way, and likely connects to the rest of the world somehow. Even if the
pavement isn't wider, it's been recognized as the preferred route.
Likely has stop-sign/traffic-light preference due to higher volume
too, if only because buses.)
Conversely, if the busway is a segregated lane on a tertiary ( or
secondary or unclassified) highway, isn't it the same highway=tertiary
as the parent but with psv=designated and/or access=bus ? ( I guess
that'd be merely lanes:psv if separated only by paint, but would be a
separate way if separated by grass, curb/kerb, or taller
(semi)permanent physical barrier e.g. our accursed Jersey Barrier ?)
Re Access=no inadvertently excluding pedestrians : signage here is
$300 fine for unauthorized vehicles OR pedestrians in dedicated
busway. Prohibiting Jaywalking up the busway at a station is a safety
matter, bus driver is NOT looking for you there.
E.g this transit station interchange busway is correct
access=no, highway=service, note=busway, oneway=yes, psv=designated
( since indeed it feeds a building / station and pedestrians are excluded )
(As rebuilt, the _other_ , southern / westbound busway there has been
recently modified to allow pedestrian access on a sidewalk to the
lower-level of the rebuilt station, so I may need to change that ...
after a walkabout to double-check details ! )
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