[Tagging] war_memorial

[Mark Bradley]

> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:26:24 +1100
> From: Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Tagging] war_memorial
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> On 04-Oct-17 12:00 PM, Bill Ricker wrote:
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> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick
> > <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Question on memorials v monuments thanks.
> >
> >     How about a memorial arboretum
> >     (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arboretum
> >     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arboretum>), a commemorative
> >     planted grove of trees that you can walk through & sit under?
> >
> >     Does that count as a monument, or is it a memorial?
> >
> >
> > ​As I read wiki.osm, both historic=memorial and historic=monument are
> > presumed man-made structures, with the latter reserved for that which
> > is truly "'monumental' in size".  Neither would apply to an Arboretum
> > (even though it's an unnatural landscape on monumental scale, it's not
> > a structure).  (FWIW, xref there includes man_made=obelisk and
> > memorial=stele )
> >
> > It sounds like the wiki expects us to find the plaque or stele etc
> > inside the memorial arboretum and tag it as the historic=memorial,
> > memorial=plaque, etc. and only tag an area thus if the monumental
> > structure has outline worth outlining as closed area way.
> >
> > ​This memorial park http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/29743732 is not
> > an arboretum, AFAIK, although some of the trees may have been planted
> > trees, it's not about the trees.  Unless I find a plaque or other
> > marker, the wiki is not encouraging use of either memorial or
> > monument, although memorial:conflict=WW1 could apply.
> >
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmonument
> > ​http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmemorial​
> >
> > ​More info on my Memorial Park area
> > http://fd.ema.arrl.org/SiteDetail.php?site=MemPk 
> >
> >
> 
> Memorial avenues exist - roads with tress planted alongside to remember
> the dead usually from wars.
> See http://www.historicplaces.ca/en/rep-reg/place-lieu.aspx?id=13557
> No OSM taggging other than a road in OSM
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> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280394066
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> Each tree usually commemorates one person, the tree signifies the
> victory of life over death.
> While there may a be a plaque - it is the tree that forms the memorial
> for that person.
> The collection of trees form a memorial to the war dead as a collective.
> 
> I have not tagged them...
> 
> Some more info?
> http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/about/environment/protecting-heritage/remembrance-
> driveway/history/index.html
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> I think a memorial rather than a monument. But I am not pedantic about it.
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I am following this discussion with interest.  I have tagged several of these memorials, and have used the value war_memorial, because that is what is suggested in the Wiki.  I have no problem retagging the features I've already tagged, if a consensus is reached on an alternative tagging scheme.

With that being said, I have a question.  Take a look at the memorial (not a war memorial) on the north side of the road in this photo [1].  (I hope it's okay to use a Google Street View photo, as I don't have a website to post it on, and I don't use any of the commercial photo-sharing sites.)  How would you tag this memorial?  I have used historic=memorial, followed by memorial=stele (following the recommended procedure in the Wiki), but this object doesn't strictly meet the definition of "stele," according to Wiktionary and Wikipedia.  It resembles a gravestone, but obviously it is not one of those.  I can't think of a suitable term to use to describe the type of memorial.  Neither does it fit the definition of monument, as described in the Wiki.

Mark

[1] https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5987119,-85.8427832,3a,75y,27h,81.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT2QKoSsT4MR9JkRHxcSd-A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656