[Tagging] confusing wiki on emergency

[joost schouppe]

Hi Adam,

This thread came into existance after questions to use from people actually
working with the emergency services to improve routing for them. There is a
real issue to solve. Basically, emergency services can often ignore many
laws of traffic, but there are some exceptions. Especially in the case of
barriers there is a lot of room for confusion. They might be an actual
unmovable physical barrier, or something that certain services can operate.

2017-10-31 11:44 GMT+01:00 Adam Snape <adam.c.snape at gmail.com>:

> Might access tags for emergency service personnel be a solution for a
> non-existant problem? Are there really many places which the emergency
> services are explicitly legally prohibited from accessing?
>
> Adam
>
> On 31 October 2017 at 09:00, joost schouppe <joost.schouppe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mateusz,
>>
>> Of course a single bad link is not enough. I also didn't realize how many
>> objects are already tagged with emergency=yes.
>>
>> I've never liked the way access is implied on all the specific tags,
>> where we write access:bicycle as bicycle. IMHO, it makes the tagging scheme
>> more complicated to understand for a new mapper.
>> Since emergency can be used in two different ways, it makes it harder to
>> get an idea of what values are used in the access sence and which in the
>> amenity sense. Theoretically, you could have a road which has both some
>> sensible emergency-amenity AND emergency-access. I haven't seen many of
>> those though, e.g. I guess you could consider a road also tagged as an
>> ambulance_station or a coastal_defence as simple mistakes.
>>
>> Looking at the values used in the context of emergency, I do think
>> there's need for some decent documentation. The general access values don't
>> mention things like ambulance, fire_fighters, fire_truck etc.). In the
>> spirit of other access tags, I suppose these should rather be ambulance=yes
>> instead of emergency=ambulance.
>>
>> 2017-10-31 9:26 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> *separate section for meaning
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 Oct 2017 8:24 a.m., "Mateusz Konieczny" <matkoniecz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Single bad link on wiki is not a good reason for mass edit worldwide,
>>> changing all editors, changing all data consumers, changing habits of all
>>> users using this tag, introducing confusing and unusual prefix (it is not
>>> like OSM tagging scheme requires more confusing things) and changing all
>>> pages on wiki describing this tag.
>>>
>>> Just fix the bad link, separate section four meaning as an access tag
>>> makes sense.
>>>
>>> On 30 Oct 2017 11:08 a.m., "joost schouppe" <joost.schouppe at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On the access page, there is a described use for emergency=* . However,
>>>> when you click through, you get to a page to a tag that describes all sorts
>>>> of amenities related to emergency.
>>>>
>>>> Would this be a reason to retag emergency when related to access as the
>>>> implied tag access:emergency=*, and then make a new wiki page about
>>>> access:emergency ? Or would it be enough to add a section to the
>>>> emergency=* wiki page to explain that it can ALSO be used as an implied
>>>> access:emergency tag?
>>>>
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