[Tagging] Access by permit

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On 18 September 2017 at 14:55, Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny+osm at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> I'm trying to tag some stocked fishing ponds that reside on a military
>> reservation in Alaska, Fort Greely. The ponds are stocked by the
>> Alaska Department of Fish & Game but require a special permit for access.
>> This is from the Department of Fish & Game website:
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>> These lakes are on military land. A permit is required to legally access
>> these lakes. For Army land a Recreational Access Permit (RAP) is required.
>>
>> access=permissive isn't quite right nor is access=private.
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> For me, and apparently for you, there's a big difference between 'this
> land is private', and 'access to this land requires certain formalities to
> be complied with, but permission is ordinarily granted.' But i appear to be
> imagining that the difference is important, since nobody else on the planet
> sees it.
>

You can count me in there as well, 'cause I've got a similar'ish sort of
question, thanks gents :-)

Just off the Queensland coast, there are a number of large, sand islands,
which are reached by ferry (in one case, by bridge) & are very popular
tourist destinations. eg Fraser Island:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/-25.322/152.732

These islands are controlled by Qld National Parks & anybody is allowed to
visit them, but to drive on the island, either on the beach or inland
tracks, you must have a vehicle permit, which can be simply bought either
online, or from various retailers - newsagents, service stations etc. The
main beaches on each of these islands are also the main roads to travel
around the island, & are, in fact, designated public roads, where normal
speed limits, licensing requirements, alcohol limits etc all apply, & are
enforced by Police.

So how should they be marked?

They're open to the general public until National Parks says no, so that's
permissive?

But you need a permit, so does that make them private?

Maybe they should be marked as toll=yes, although there's no toll-booth
where you can pay?

& then how do you mark the entire Island, or just the main beach, as
needing a permit? Marked tracks can be tagged easily enough, but the beach
is just a beach!

Looking forward to working something out! :-)

Thanks

Graeme
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