[Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?
61sundowner at gmail.com
Thu Apr 26 22:23:45 UTC 2018
The use of the word 'kiosk' may be a jargon use within the power industry?
Or it could be that the size is similar to a normal 'kiosk'?
Maybe the original user could provide some information as to the true
On 26/04/18 20:33, nwastra wrote:
> Australians also know a kiosk as a small selling booth for small
> articles e.g. newspapers, sweets, drinks often found on central city
> railway stations.
> On 26 Apr 2018, at 8:22 pm, James <james2432 at gmail.com
> <mailto:james2432 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> @Peter, Same here in Canada. No one calls a substation a kiosk here
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 6:16 AM Peter Elderson, <pelderson at gmail.com
>> <mailto:pelderson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Looks like it's australian, to call a power substation a power
>> kiosk. It converts the high voltage to low voltage and
>> distributes power to households. Just 'kiosk' is confusing to me.
>> Dutch: kiosk=small selling booth for small articles e.g.
>> newspapers, sweets, drinks. Mainly found on railway stations.
>> 2018-04-26 11:56 GMT+02:00 John Sturdy <jcg.sturdy at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jcg.sturdy at gmail.com>>:
>> To me, as a native British-English speaker, "kiosk" doesn't
>> seem to be the right word for these. A kiosk is normally
>> something that *is* large enough for a person to enter
>> (typically, someone selling something through a hatch).
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:53 PM, José G Moya Y.
>> <josemoya at gmail.com <mailto:josemoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
>> El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe
>> <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com
>> <mailto:fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>> escribió:
>> Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was
>> opened on talk page of power=substation key.
>> Since no big issue has been raised, I've updated
>> mentionned wiki pages (with French version when
>> available) with man_made=street_cabinet.
>> location=kiosk is not a recommended value anymore and
>> it's encouraged to replace it manually and carefully
>> with man_made=street_cabinet + street_cabinet=power
>> location key can now be used everytime to give the
>> right substation/transformer's location, in cabinet
>> or not.
>> We can have underground or indoor cabinets like this :
>> location=underground or indoor or ...
>> All the best
>> 2017-11-04 11:45 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe
>> <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com
>> <mailto:fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>>:
>> The man_made=street_cabinet key sounds suitable
>> to map items described with power=substation +
>> They are actual small cabinets like those where
>> no technician can enter to work (opposite of
>> building) :
>> Street cabinet is the container while substation
>> is the function.
>> Wiki example on this page gives follwing tags:
>> I propose to update it as such :
>> location=pavement (or wherever the cabinet is
>> It works both for nodes or areas.
>> Additionnal advantage is to get location=* back
>> to give cabinet position instead of substation
>> design (there was issues to tag underground
>> kiosks for instance)
>> There are 7k objects in db:
>> Pages to update are :
>> How do you feel about it ?
>> There are no need of a time consuming formal
>> proposal to deal with this question.
>> Without further coments, i will update wiki pages
>> in 15 days.
>> No automated edits.
>> Thanks for your time
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>> El mié., 25 de abril de 2018 21:32, Michael Reichert
>> <osm-ml at michreichert.de <mailto:osm-ml at michreichert.de>>
>> while adding a substation to OSM yesterday I looked
>> up the possible
>> values of location=* and missed kiosk. A short glance
>> in the history
>> showes that it removed location=kiosk from the page
>> on 2018-01-02. The
>> edit description mentions
>> as a replacement.
>> location=kiosk was introduced by the approved
>> Substation Refinement
>> Proposal in 2013.
>> man_made=street_cabinet was introduced by the Street
>> Cabinet Proposal in
>> This proposal does not mention substations or
>> transformers at all.
>> I think that small substations are not street
>> cabinets because they are
>> much larger than street cabinets and are usually not
>> located on the
>> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area.
>> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you?
>> If no, I propose
>> to revert this change on the wiki.
>> Best regards
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