[Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

marc marc marc_marc_irc at hotmail.com
Wed Aug 8 23:07:46 UTC 2018

name must be only one name of course faild with bilingual area.
of course local communities have the rules that apply to this situation
and try to impose a single rule on the world will fail

but Andry's message seems imho a good idea :
having only-one rule that can be used everywhere is better than
having x rules that try to do the same thing which implies that
a contributor must discover those x rules and that the software 
concerned must code x routines to use them (try to create a QA to catch 
name to name:xx mistmatch in multilangual area... you 'll see the issue)
discussing the advantages and disadvantages of the different separators 
currently used is very useful for using the experience of different 
local communities.
afterward PROPOSING a 'global' rule would make sense, although obviously 
it would be up to each local community to choose whether or not to adopt it.

Le 08. 08. 18 à 20:51, Johnparis a écrit :
> /Daniel McCormick wrote: "I propose that only one language is used for 
> the name= tag"/
> This fails immediately in bilingual countries like Belgium, and also 
> fails in countries like Morocco, where the predominant language is 
> Arabic, but the two legal languages are Arabic and Tamazight, while a 
> major language of commerce is French. The local communities in Belgium 
> and Morocco have addressed these issues to their satisfaction, with no 
> need for outsiders to impose their views of "the best way".
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com 
> <mailto:pelderson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     My understanding was that the discussion is about when both names
>     are indicated on the name signs and no definite preference is
>     clear.  The method of exactly representing the sign (just copy the
>     string) fails because usually the names are given as two strings or
>     even as two signs.
>     Op wo 8 aug. 2018 om 20:02 schreef Daniel McCormick
>     <mccormick at kaartgroup.com <mailto:mccormick at kaartgroup.com>>
>         (I think I did something wrong and I have been corrected
>         hopefully this is the correct way to contribute to this list)
>         I wanted to add my input here as I have done work in several
>         different countries with several different naming schemes.
>         It is my interpretation that the goal of this discussion is to
>         determine the best way to distinguish different translations of
>         the name of roads.
>         I propose that only one language is used for the name= tag. This
>         will help to create a standard for naming that will bring
>         clarity and consistency. If multiple languages are used in the
>         area, place the most commonly used language in the name=* field
>         and then the other languages in the appropriate name:en=*,
>         name:fr=*, and so on. This will ensure that the data is
>         specifically catalogued for routing software, while providing
>         the opportunity for users of data to specify the language they
>         desire to read the map in. In the end I suppose it would just be
>         a matter of seeing both all the time or not but if we use the
>         name:(insert whatever desired language here)=* we ensure a more
>         specific and catalogued database for OSM globally.
>         An example of this the Greek method where they have
>         name=Μητροπόλεως
>         name:el=Μητροπόλεως
>         name:en=Mitropoleos street
>         In Greece if I use a routing software, I can easily tell it to
>         show me name:en or name:el for whatever I need to see at the
>         time. Rather then using hyphen, slash or space I propose we use
>         this method for distinguishing different translations in our
>         naming scheme
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