[Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

Daniel McCormick mccormick at kaartgroup.com
Thu Aug 9 22:42:35 UTC 2018


I have to agree with Marc on the position of rendering. It would appear to me that the use of separators in the name=* field comes from a desire to have the default map renderer on opentstreetmap.org <http://opentstreetmap.org/> show both names. This is mapping to the renderer. The best way to view OSM is not as the default renderer depicts it but as a repository of geospatial data that the renderer then assists the contributor in viewing and understanding. Even though it gets in the way at times. While the default renderer favors name=* over name:nl or name:fr that is not the case for other renderers. We as contributors might think that is the most prominent way to view the data but not all renderers are the same. Having our data be specific in saying this is the French name, this is the Flemish name and this is the German name gives the data more flexibility than just having all languages thrown into one name=* field. The hierarchy of what is chosen to be rendered depends on the renderer and therefore we should hold the same standard. When it comes to not mapping to the renderer we hold it to the OSM standard rather than mapping to the renderer. 

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>>> p.s. It is not the first time this question pops up.
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>> That can be a sign that something is amiss.
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> the previous times it popped up was not for consistency reasons, but
> to do something on carto-css for osm.org
> We do have multiple local tile sets for Belgium, where we do not have
> that problem at all.
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> As a Flemish person it's even annoying that software like OsmAnd
> announces the name field and not name:nl
> Nobody uses the composed FR-NL name in real live. You always use one
> of the two depending on preference or situation.
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> As someone suggested before, perhaps we should get rid of the usage of
> name field for the default osm.org map and let the renderer decide
> what (and how) to display names in multi-language areas based on
> name:xx fields.
> Let the local community assist in setting up those rules for carto-css
> (e.g. French before Dutch), but the separator is decided by the map
> maker.
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> All that seems better than starting to change the name (and
> addr:street) field of tens of thousands of objects just because
> someone does not like the rendering on the default osm.org map.
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> m.
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