[Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

bkil bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com
Sun Dec 23 20:37:00 UTC 2018


Unfortunately, if we only included the objective criteria based on a high
interaction between the parking lot and the rooms, then the number of
motels in Hungary for example would be near zero. As two of you have raised
concerns regarding this change, I've reverted it and moved the text to my
own space, see here if anyone would still like to comment:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bkil/Tag:tourism%3Dmotel

But then again, the current page is almost useless in its current form: if
we blanked the article and simply wrote "Tag an establishment as
tourism=motel if its name=* contains the word 'Motel'", we would be
providing at least as much help to mappers, if not more. This can't be
right.

At the same time, based on the proposed criteria, I could identify a large
number of them around here and the result correlated very well with whether
their nameplate contains the word "Motel" or not. Most points of my
criteria are nearly objective. You simply sum them up, and the higher score
you get, the more confident you get in your decision (a'la reCAPTCHA v3).

Again, as mentioned in the text, none of those listed were requirements,
this should only be understood as an implication. I.e., if we are talking
about a hotel, it is perfectly normal that some points will not apply.
Also, some points may be given more weight than others - so the so called
"objective" points could be weighed more.

On a separate note, a separate wiki page for comparing places to sleep
sounds reasonable, but based on your concerns, I'm not sure what meaningful
criteria we could list there other than one based on name=*.

Let's read the Wikipedia article together and then discuss the matter
further. I agree that as mentioned there as well, several providers use the
term "motel" as a synonym for a budget hotel or pension, but that's still
not the original meaning and this should not bias our perceptions. I've
linked a few dozen in the changeset of my opening question so we are on the
same page.

Here are my favorite ones from a mapping perspective:
http://www.momotel.hu/
http://www.lokomotivmotel.hu/en/photo_gallery.html

I really look forward to keeping this constructive - as my motive is still
to help others in making their mapping decisions when in doubt.

Wish you all happy holidays

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 5:17 PM LeTopographeFou <letopographefou at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you for asking.
>
> I go a lot to either motels or hotels and I also think that the difference
> between a motel and an hotel is mainly based on the design of the place,
> not on the number of nights, the proximity to tourist attractions or major
> highways or the cost of the land. Consequently I disagree with most of your
> criteria in the "How to tell apart from hotel" section and would reduce the
> list to objective criteria based on the design of the place, i.e an high
> interaction between the parking lot and the rooms (which often means that
> room access is made from the parking lot). Everything else may be your
> criteria but are not objective criteria IMHO.
>
> Speaking of the difference with a guest house the main difference would
> be: Is the owner a company (i.e. an incorporated business) with employees
> (for check in, check out...) or is it a self-managed business? I think the
> question applies also to hotels.
>
> Also, I suggest you to sum up eveything in one Wiki page listing all
> scenarios of sleeping places (camping, glamping, hotel, motel and guest
> house), keeping the actual one as how to use the tags (not how to choose
> the best one) instead of keeping 5 pages which will never (?) be aligned.
>
> Yours,
>
> LeTopographeFou
>
> Le 23/12/2018 à 12:05, bkil a écrit :
>
> Thank you for the insight, I'll try to figure out a better wording there.
> I'm also considering to improve the wording of the guest house and hotel
> articles in the future, though I'll need to find a way to do this without
> adding too much redundancy.
>
> Well, what I wanted to convey in those sentences was that I'd expect the
> average booked nights per stay to be lower for a motel compared to a hotel.
>
> Compared to renting a flat, both motel and hotel stays are considered
> short-term. However, if we used the exact same wording of simply "short
> term" on both wiki articles, we would be missing the opportunity for an
> important distinction: while one happily books a whole week in a hotel for
> the sake of enjoying the leisure, services and attractions nearby, motels
> by design have been more intended for transit traffic.
>
> Of course I'm not talking about a hard split, as in all or nothing. Surely
> a number of people on the budget will stay at a motel and commute from
> there daily to their real destinations simply because of the cost savings,
> but I'd say that the core business model of most motels relies (or have
> historically relied) on transient use.
>
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 11:17 AM Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The one concern I have is the new sentences that suggest that hotels are
>> “typically not [booked for ] single night” while motels are usually booked
>> for 1 night.
>>
>> I have certainly stayed for 2 to 3 nights at a “Motel 6” and other
>> motels.
>>
>> And I have never encountered problems booking rooms for a single night at
>> 3 and 3.5 star hotels for business trips.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:34 PM bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've made a major rewording of this tag. Please review and don't
>>> hesitate to comment or improve if I've mistakenly changed the meaning of
>>> the tag:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324
>>>
>>> Source: based on Wikipedia and recent mapping experience:
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632
>>>
>>> It also looks like some have used the word motel for what should have
>>> been pensions and guest houses around here, I'll also fix these later.
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