[Tagging] request for review: OSM wiki rewording of tourism=motel based on Wikipedia

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Mon Dec 31 21:55:19 UTC 2018


I am getting the same feeling for intermittent/seasonal and ephemeral 
... should all be one top level tag. Sigh.

n 01/01/19 02:37, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> Tobias wrote:
>
> "Now that several comments here indicate that the only practical 
> distinction today is the name on the front sign I come to think that 
> we could abandon the tag altogether."
>
> +1
>
> I agree. We tend to "split hairs" in OSM, when in some cases it simply 
> isn't worth the effort. These objects are just temporary 
> accommodations that, granted, have varying characteristics. Here in 
> Thailand, it's virtually impossible to differentiate between a 
> guest_house and a hotel. And how should one tag facilities that label 
> themselves as a "resort" (รีสอร์ท)? A better approach might (have 
> been) to use a generic term like tourism=accommodation as a top level 
> and then describe the facility more fully with subtags. Of course, 
> we're pretty much stuck with the present imperfect tagging situation.
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:18 PM Tobias Wrede <list at tobias-wrede.de 
> <mailto:list at tobias-wrede.de>> wrote:
>
>     In Germany my experience is that actually most hotels in the
>     cities charge for parking. On the other hand you find very very
>     few that call themselves "motel". I can only think of one
>     currently that does, and it is located within a motorway rest
>     area. The exception is the chain Motel One which is a very typical
>     _h_otel often located in city centers offering only limited parking.
>
>     When I think of a motel I always picture those with doors opening
>     to the car park from US movies. Now that several comments here
>     indicate that the only practical distinction today is the name on
>     the front sign I come to think that we could abandon the tag
>     altogether. What value does it generate for the data consumer if
>     tourism=motel and tourism=hotel is all but the same and practical
>     distinction could for both be made by subtags parking=y/n,
>     parking:fee=y/n, etc?
>
>     Tobias
>
>
>     Am 24.12.2018 um 01:12 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg:
>>     In the USA, we would also assume a motel offers free parking.
>>     Hotels may charge extra for parking, especial if located downtown
>>     or next to an airport.
>>
>>     Is this also the case in Europe and Australia?
>>     On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:55 AM Dave Swarthout
>>     <daveswarthout at gmail.com <mailto:daveswarthout at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         "Today the main difference seems to be the sign out front. 
>>         If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it is a motel.  If it
>>         calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel.  Local licensing
>>         authorities do not differentiate between them and they are
>>         regulated identically, so far as I can tell.  I'd say the
>>         definition should be based on what is written on the sign on
>>         the hostelry."
>>
>>         +1
>>
>>         That's my main criterion for tagging an accommodation as a 
>>         motel. I agree with Volker's points and Allan's view on this.
>>
>>         Happy Holidays
>>
>>         Dave
>>
>>         On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 6:27 AM Allan Mustard
>>         <allan at mustard.net <mailto:allan at mustard.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             Motel = MOtor hoTEL
>>
>>             The major difference between a 'hotel" and a "motel"
>>             originally was the configuration of the building with
>>             respect to parking.  At a traditionally designed motel,
>>             the cars are parked outside the units, which typically
>>             open to the outdoors, not to a hallway, so that patrons
>>             of the motel may come and go freely to their
>>             automobiles.  Length of stay is immaterial.
>>
>>             The first motels appeared on the Lincoln Highway in the
>>             1920s, if memory serves, and had little carports capable
>>             of accommodating a Model T Ford-sized automobile next to
>>             a cabin (yes, the first motels featured cabins, not rooms
>>             in a larger building).
>>
>>             Then along came Motel 6, so called because it charged $6
>>             per night back in the day (it featured coin-operated TVs
>>             and you paid extra for everything but the bed, bath, and
>>             four walls).  Many Motel 6s had hallways, and that
>>             changed the design, but they still catered to transients
>>             en route from Point A to Point B.
>>
>>             Today the main difference seems to be the sign out
>>             front.  If a hostelry calls itself a motel, it is a
>>             motel.  If it calls itself a hotel, it is a hotel.  Local
>>             licensing authorities do not differentiate between them
>>             and they are regulated identically, so far as I can
>>             tell.  I'd say the definition should be based on what is
>>             written on the sign on the hostelry.  These are my two
>>             cents' worth based on 30+ years of travel, including a
>>             few cross-country trips across America as well as
>>             extensive on-ground travel in Mexico, Russia, and central
>>             Europe.
>>
>>             Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!
>>             apm-wa
>>
>>
>>             On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 4:33 AM bkil <bkil.hu
>>             <http://bkil.hu>+Aq at gmail.com <mailto:Aq at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 I've made a major rewording of this tag. Please
>>                 review and don't hesitate to comment or improve if
>>                 I've mistakenly changed the meaning of the tag:
>>
>>                 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Atourism%3Dmotel&type=revision&diff=1755686&oldid=1561324
>>
>>                 Source: based on Wikipedia and recent mapping experience:
>>                 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/65702446#map=9/47.1412/18.6632
>>
>>                 It also looks like some have used the word motel for
>>                 what should have been pensions and guest houses
>>                 around here, I'll also fix these later.
>>                 _______________________________________________
>>

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