[Tagging] Castles and manors

Paul Allen pla16021 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 25 12:47:49 UTC 2018

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Ture PĂ„lsson <ture at turepalsson.se> wrote:

I noticed that this structure: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/190298018 is
> tagged historic=castle. It is certainly not defensive (Swedish Wikipedia:
> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/LennartsnÀs), so I thought it needed a
> castle_type, but reading the wiki description of castle_type=manor (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:castle_type%3Dmanor) confused me
> a bit. It says that historic=manor can be used for "manors which are not
> castles", which makes me wonder: what is the difference between a
> historic=castle,castle_type=manor and a historic=manor?

The wiki is confusing and the tags are also confusing (confusingly, the
tags and their documentation differ in confusing
ways, so at least the confusion is consistently confusing).

Most historic/heritage tags have arisen from, and are mapped by, the
historical objects map at gk.historic.place so that is
the best place to query things (Lutz was very helpful when I had questions).

As I understand it, manor houses were local administrative centres a few
centuries ago (as in "Lord of the Manor").
Some were what we'd now class as stately homes (big house for a very rich
guy) and some were defensive (fortified).
Some started out as grand homes but were later fortified, such as by adding
castellations.  Others remained
non-defensive but added castellations for the appearance.  It's messy and
confusing.  It might have been
better to tag them as fortification=manor or something like that, but the
current tagging is what has evolved and
what is endered on gk.historic.place.

The final arbiter is Lutz rather than this list.  We on this list can
invent new methods of tagging heritage/historic
objects but since gk.historic.place is the only renderer that deals with
most of their values, Lutz's opinion is the one that
really matters.

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