[Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

[Jo]

I'll help you with those as well, as long as we can keep those dreadful
stop_position nodes out of it :-) (and tag the stops as nodes next to the
way).

but feel free to follow what the wiki seems to say, I'll probably help you
anyway, no worries. At the end of the day, you'll be the one who will be
maintaining those routes in the future. For the routes that I plan to
maintain, I want only a single node per stop in the route relations, which
has all the details exactly 1 time.

As I want to be able to see on which side of the street they are
positioned, I create them as nodes next to the way (so stop_position nodes
won't do for that purpose). A few years ago I asked which public_transport
tag to use for them, and the answer was platform, so I ran with that. Even
in those places where there was no actual platform. The biggest advantage
was that JOSM added them to route and stop_area relations with a platform
role. Apart from that it was probably a waste of storage bytes. The more I
think about it, the more Ilya's proposal to simply use highway=bus_stop
seems like the right thing to do.

And for those places where there are actual platforms those get tagged
highway=platform (no mode of transport, only maybe
wheelchair=yes/tactile_paving=yes and maybe a height). These are the ones
mentioned in this thread by the way, the ones that don't make sense to
change the rendering for.

What we were asking to change the rendering for are the supposed
replacements of highway=bus_stop/railway=tram_stop, but the more I think
about it, the less this seems necessary.

Polyglot

Op wo 20 jun. 2018 om 23:44 schreef Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>:

>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It's probably best to provide a link to the actual route relation. It's
>> indeed a complex one.
>>
>
> I'll do it tomorrow.  I had a look earlier today and it was either broken
> before I looked or I broke it while trying
> to figure out how to use JOSM.  I'll post the link tomorrow after I've
> fixed it (or broken it even more).
>
> And yes, it's complicated.  The stop that is ignored the first time but
> used the second time is in the timetable
> but there isn't a shelter, there isn't a platform, there isn't a stop sign
> and there aren't any road markings.  The
> drivers I asked about it weren't sure exactly where it was.  It took a
> lengthy e-mail exchange with the head
> office before they finally admitted the stop existed and told me where
> they expected the drivers to stop.  At first
> it was "No, the bus doesn't stop there." and I had to rub their noses in
> the county council online timetable and
> their own online timetable.  They even tried declaring the whole route to
> be hail and ride, even in the town centre,
> to get around the problem.
>
> BTW, they have a couple of other routes that do similar things. :)
>
> --
> Paul
>
>
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