[Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

Johnparis okosm at johnfreed.com
Tue May 29 02:44:44 UTC 2018

Not a bad suggestion, but I think the point is that the driver uses reverse

The route should validate just fine, at least in JOSM. The question is
whether others will stomp on it, which is precisely what the note=* tag is
for. You could add it to the route itself, not just the way, if you think
it's a real risk.

I still can't imagine why the gear the driver uses would make the slightest
difference to the data consumer, but if you really think it's important to
use a non-standard role, I would again suggest reverse_gear rather than
reverse. The way is not traversed in a reverse direction; it is traversed
twice in opposite directions.

It would be helpful to post the route here so we can have an idea of what
we're discussing :)


On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 1:09 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>

> Could you fool the routers / system by inserting an imaginary
> mini-roundabout at the end of the cul-de-sac?
> That way the router would think that the bus drives in, goes round the
> roundabout, then drives out again.
> Include a note that the roundabout doesn't actually exist, but is only
> shown for this reason, so that other mappers don't then keep deleting it!
> Thanks
> Graeme
> On 29 May 2018 at 07:00, Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 8:38 PM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have also mapped many routes with loops, lollipops/spoons where the
>>> same ways are traversed multiple times. But I had not encountered a route
>>> where the bus needs to do parts driving backwards. I think this is mostly
>>> avoided because it's (obviously) a dangerous maneuver. (and I would say
>>> especially if you have to do it multiple times per day)
>> On a tertiary road which was a through way it might be dangerous.  This
>> is a cul-de-sac which is a residential road
>> hanging off a residential road which itself hangs off a residential
>> road.  The bus going past is the high point of the
>> day. :)
>> As for suggestions that it could be handled with note=*, data consumers
>> don't read notes (and mappers might not
>> read them either, even if the editor highlights them).  Mappers stand a
>> better chance of reading a description, but
>> consumers still won't see them.  However, the actual route shown on the
>> map indicates that there is something
>> unusual going on at that point.
>> --
>> Paul
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