[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

bkil bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com
Fri Oct 5 19:12:12 UTC 2018

Thanks for the link. The situation was the same in Hungary between
1998-2009. As of 2018, it is not a legal obligation, thus it is up to
the owner to decide whether they offer tap water for free. The
reasoning is probably that overheads, dish washing and service is not
at all free, though most "mature" places "usually"  provide water if
asked nicely.

However, do observe the exact wording in the linked article:

>>All licensed premises in England and Wales are required by law to provide "free potable water" to their customers upon request.<<

This should be interpreted as drinking_water=customers, not
drinking_water=yes. As mentioned previously, we could start a table in
the wiki to document country wide defaults. It is realistic to assume
that users are able to cross check between such a table with the full
OSM geo database. This would greatly reduce redundancy.

We are badly in a need of such a mechanism anyway, because there are
many tags which are not very useful in many parts of the world. Just
looking at the forms of the iD editor, I can see many examples. One is
that public smoking has been banned or heavily restricted in Hungary
and many other countries, so amenities default to smoking=no (mostly
at designated outside areas only). I have yet to see a restaurant that
declines to pack my meal for takeaway=* if I can't consume it on
premise, but it may be different in other countries. And then let's
not open the can of worms of default road maxspeed=*
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 2:54 PM Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:
> In GB licensed premises have to provide free drinking water.
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39881236
> Phil (trigpoint)
> On 1 October 2018 10:11:08 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Am Sa., 29. Sep. 2018 um 17:33 Uhr schrieb bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com>:
>>> The best visibility for both venues and people should be via OSM
>>> itself. However, if we do not highlight these via specific tags, this
>>> visibility may be impaired. Renderers could be enhanced to highlight
>>> various tag combinations, like drinking_water on bars, restaurants,
>>> etc., though that is not ideal. Verification could also be made more
>>> difficult, because if I see drinking_water=yes on a pub, I need to
>>> first start looking for a vending machine/fountain/tap, if not found,
>>> ask for an accessible vending machine/fountain/tap from staff, if they
>>> don't know anything about those, then I ask whether they could
>>> manually refill my container.
>> I am not sure adding drinking_water on bars or pubs would do us a favor. For one it might be up to the discretion of the current staff  how they respond to your request (and could depend whether you have already consumed something there, know the barkeeper, are accompagnied by babies or children, the staff has a good day or not, etc.). There are also places that offer a drinking water tap with plastic cups or water bottles so you can serve yourself without asking anybody. (e.g. first pillar here is an accessible indoor fountain: https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/06/a0/ef/gelateria-palazzo-del.jpg ), and this is quite different than having to ask the staff and depending on their discretion. How will it be distinguished?
>> Pubs and bars usually will have opening hours, while drinking_water on a fountain is generally accessible 24/7. This can be seen from the data (combination with what), but it might be safer to explicitly use distinct tagging (unsure myself).
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
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