[Tagging] Opening hours too long for OSM

Tobias Zwick osm at westnordost.de
Sat Oct 13 11:36:35 UTC 2018


Oh, you are right. I am sorry. So that opening hours tool understands
more than what is defined in the specification.

On 13/10/2018 12:35, Simon Poole wrote:
> 
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> Am 13.10.2018 um 00:46 schrieb Tobias Zwick:
>> It is already part of the specification that "Mo-Fr 9-17" is possible.
> 
> Actually it isn't, see
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours/specification
> 
> I don't think discussing changes to the opening_hours grammar is this
> thread is a sensible thing to do, most of the changes proposed are not
> unambigously parseable and would require us to rely even more on
> heuristics than we do now to make sense of the values. There a small
> number of additions that could make sense and make things easier
> (seasons and some more variable holidays), but they tend to fit in to
> the existing schema.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
>> Alas, QA tools / the openinghours evaluation tool emit a warning in this
>> case: "Time range without minutes specified. Not very explicit! Please
>> use this syntax instead "9:00-17:00"."
>> Not sure why that is not seen as explicit.
>>
>> On 12/10/2018 22:29, bkil wrote:
>>> That looks like a nice improvement.
>>>
>>> Additionally, I've always wondered why we need to enter :00 after
>>> every hour and zero pad the hours? The shops themselves usually post
>>> the opening hours as 9-17 - why can't we use this human friendly
>>> abbreviation? I don't feel that it would be that much harder to parse.
>>> (9-17h would also work for me) 9-17:30 and 9:30-17 are still
>>> unambiguous (though, the latter looks a bit uglier at first).
>>>
>>> I think this would greatly improve readability, make data entry faster
>>> and less error prone and shorten the field all at the same time.
>>>
>>> Is this fit for a proposal?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:04 AM Robin Schneider <ypid at riseup.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/18 11:47 PM, Jmapb wrote:
>>>>> On 10/11/2018 5:21 PM, Tobias Zwick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, a user of StreetComplete came across the following complicated
>>>>>> opening hours for a shop (prettified):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jun-Sep: Mo-Sa 10:00-18:00;
>>>>>> Jun-Sep: Su 10:00-12:00;
>>>>>> Nov-Mar: Mo,Tu,Th,Fr 10:00-12:00, 15:00-17:00;
>>>>>> Nov-Mar: Sa 10:00-12:00;
>>>>>> Apr-May: Mo-Fr 10:00-12:30,15:00-18:00;
>>>>>> Apr-May: Sa 10:00-12:30;
>>>>>> Apr-May: Su 10:00-12:00;
>>>>>> Oct: Mo-Fr 10:00-12:30,15:00-18:00;
>>>>>> Oct: Sa 10:00-12:30;
>>>>>> Oct: Su 10:00-12:00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, this does not fit into the opening_hours value, as this
>>>>>> is limited to 255 characters. What can we do?
>>>> Hey :)
>>>>
>>>> I would say your best bet is to try to shorten the opening_hours values using
>>>> every little trick that the syntax has to offer, for example you can join the
>>>> month ranges which is enough to bring you under 255 characters.
>>>>
>>>> Jun-Sep: Mo-Sa 10:00-18:00;
>>>> Nov-Mar: Mo,Tu,Th,Fr 10:00-12:00,15:00-17:00;
>>>> Nov-Mar: Sa 10:00-12:00;
>>>> Apr-May,Oct: Mo-Fr 10:00-12:30,15:00-18:00;
>>>> Apr-May,Oct: Sa 10:00-12:30;
>>>> Apr-May,Jun-Oct: Su 10:00-12:00
>>>>
>>>> You can then use the "value to compare to the first value:" feature of
>>>> https://openingh.ypid.de/evaluation_tool/ to check that you still preserved the
>>>> original meaning.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t have much to add in case you can not bring the value under 255 only that
>>>> I also don’t know any software which would handle that. I guess having the
>>>> special cases in an additional tag and `opening_hours` fully valid would be best
>>>> then.
>>>>
>>>>     opening_hours=Jun-Sep: Mo-Sa 10:00-18:00; Su10:00-12:00; Nov-Mar:
>>>> Mo,Tu,Th,Fr 10:00-12:00, 15:00-17:00; Sa 10:00-12:00; Apr-May: Mo-Fr
>>>> 10:00-12:30,15:00-18:00; Sa 10:00-12:30; Su 10:00-12:00; Oct: Mo-Fr
>>>> 10:00-12:30,15:00-18:00; Sa 10:00-12:30;Oct: Su 10:00-12:00
>>>>
>>>> This won’t work. I had an idea for doing that but this is not supported yet:
>>>> https://github.com/opening-hours/opening_hours.js#todo
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Live long and prosper
>>>> Robin `ypid` Schneider -- https://me.ypid.de/
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