[Tagging] routes with double use hiking and bicycle

Volker Schmidt voschix at gmail.com
Sun Sep 2 10:23:24 UTC 2018

Good question.
I forget to mention that the handling of long relations is cumbersome, and
even the duplication is a lot of work. In addition would be only a
work-around, because the real objects I want to describe are really
double-use and not the superposition of two separate objects with identical
geometry. This is a bit like as if you were to superimpose two highways one
for cars and one for HGVs. In case of roads we solved the problem by
default tables according to highway classes and with access tagging, but
for relations I cannot use access=no plus foot=yes plus bicycle=yes or
similar constructs.
It is true that when you increase the mapping detail with separate
sidewalks you may end up with separate relations anyway, but here we use,
so far, very rarely separate ways for sidewalks, and, in addition, a large
percentage of separately tagged "cycle" ways are in reality mixed
foot-cycleways anyway.


On 2 September 2018 at 11:26, Yves <yvecai at mailbox.org> wrote:

> Why don't you Tage separate relations?
> Yves
> Le 2 septembre 2018 11:02:39 GMT+02:00, Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com>
> a écrit :
>> There are routes out there that can be used by bicycle and on foot. Up tp
>> now I have classified them as one or the or the other, tagging according to
>> the prevalent use. This is unsatisfactory and, strictly speaking, not
>> corresponding to the principle of on-the-ground-truth.
>> I would like to distinguish between
>>    - routes that are exclusively hiking (containing ways that are
>>    off-limits for bicycles)
>>    - routes that are exclusively for cycling (containing ways that are
>>    not suitable for pedestrians)
>>    - routes that are intended for double use
>> The formally correct solution is "route=hiking;bicycle", and
>> network=lwn;lcn ecc
>> but this tagging is discouraged [1] and is flagged as error by JOSM, and
>> I suspect that it also not supported by data users, as it is not documented
>> anywhere.
>> In my part of the world (Northern Italy) we have plenty of mixed-use
>> routes, which is in most cases already reflected in their name " percorso
>> ciclo-pedonale ".
>> I suppose that this has been discussed in the past, and apologize if I
>> did not find  (or forgot) where.
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator
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