[Tagging] Mapping language borders, tagging offical languages?

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Sun Sep 16 13:24:26 UTC 2018


"you would need extensive external data to determine how to
actually display combinations of names (which obviously depends on the
languages and scripts involved)"

Do you mean how to decide which name is displayed "first"?  On the left /
on top etc?

I think that's up to map designers.

But I suppose the order of the language codes in the value could considered
the suggested order to use
(Eg language:default=ara;fr tagged on the boundary of Morocco would mean:
"Show Arabic and French names,
Perhaps put Arabic first."

If mappers want to "paint the label", as you phrased it, then the name=*
tag already works for that.
But this proposal is suggesting moving away from micromanaging the way
multiple language names are displayed together

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 10:09 PM Christoph Hormann <osm at imagico.de> wrote:

> On Sunday 16 September 2018, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> >
> > *Would it be feasible for database users to query
> > boundary=aboriginal_lands along with the admin boundaries*?
>
> As said i can't really form an opinion on this without a real world
> example, the corresponding data and a suggestion how this should be
> interpreted together with the administrative boundaries.
>
> Of course you can somehow formulate a rule for that but i am not sure if
> this would make sense and be intuitive for the mapper.
>
> > It should be interpreted with the individual language name tags.
> > If the default language is zh;zh_pinyin (Chinese and romanized
> > Chinese), there should be a name:zh and name:zh_pinyin tag on each
> > feature within the boundary, in theory, and these two name tags
> > should be combined in an international map rendering.
>
> But then you would need extensive external data to determine how to
> actually display combinations of names (which obviously depends on the
> languages and scripts involved).  Evidence in how the name tag is used
> for combining different names in different parts of the world shows
> that the local conventions on how to display different languages
> together varies quite strongly.
>
> Or in other words:  It is very easy for data users to generate a list of
> languages from a format string if required but it is rather difficult
> if not impossible to generate an accurate and suitable format string
> for every combination of languages from just a list of languages.  If
> this is just a question of typesetting rules that is the resposibility
> of the map designer obviously but i have the impression this is also a
> matter of local culture w.r.t. names and languages and that is
> something that can and should be mapped.
>
> --
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
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