[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 01:30:23 UTC 2018

I see that the suggestions about "free refills" are included here because
there was some confusion about the use of "free_refill=yes" in central
Europe. The English word "refill" implies that it is the second time
something has been filled. Thus a customer may request that their glass be
filled again with the same beverage.

I'd suggest a separate proposal page to discuss the free_refill=yes tag.

In North America, free beverage refills are limited to "soft drinks" (aka
fizzy drinks / pop / soda / cola depending on dialect), tea and brewed
coffee. Alcoholic beverages, espresso and specialty coffee drinks, and
other specialty beverage are usually excluded. I don't recall every seeing
free refills of lemonade or fruit juice.

So it would be sufficient to have free_refill=coffee/tea/soft_drink/yes/no
free_refill=yes would imply that all customers can get free refills on
coffee, tea and soft drinks, if all are offered. Or at a cafe that only
serves coffee and tea, free_refill=yes would mean free refills on coffee
and tea (since soft drinks are not available)

Some places only offer refills for free on one category. For example, a
cafe or "diner" may only offer free refills of brewed coffee, while a fast
food restaurant often offers free refills of "soft drinks" but not coffee.
In this case the specific free_refill=coffee or free_refill=soft_drink
would be used.

I don't think it is necessary to use a more complicated namespaced tag,
such as free_refill:coffee=yes, though that could be an alternative.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:00 AM Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> I’d suggest keeping it simple by using existing tags when possible.
> If a cafe or shop gives out free water for customers, tag the shop or cafe
> with “drinking_water=customers”. If it’s for anyone, “drinking_water=yes”
> is currently used. I don’t see a need for a new tag “drinking_water=ask”
> If there is a drinking fountain, water tap or bottle refill station in a
> shopping mall or building that has opening_hours, just use
> amenity=drinking_water plus opening_hours=* on the node. Man_made=water_tap
> or =drinking_fountain or =water_well can also be added to the same node for
> more detail.
> I believe amenity=drinking_water implies no fee, and public access, so
> these characteristics do not require explicit tagging
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 8:57 PM bkil <bkil.hu+Aq at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to discuss three related proposals and two separate ones that
>> can be confused with the others. In all the below cases, the
>> availability is tied to the opening_hours of the containing POI.
>> Five separate proposals could have been created, but I feel that the
>> concepts and words describe these are so close, it is best to have a
>> good overview.
>> I'm open to suggestions both related to the tags themselves and how we
>> should structure and document this proposal in the wiki.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Free_drinking_water_by_private_entities
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