[Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

Yuri Astrakhan yuriastrakhan at gmail.com
Sun Sep 30 04:10:27 UTC 2018

I still think that if this feature is there to document the language of the
name tag, we should reuse the default_language [1] -- it is already set on
more than 200 large regions, covering most of the world. What's the point
of duplicating it?  If there is a region where name could be in 2 or more
languages, we may want to introduce a new tag to specifically address that
in those regions only, e.g. multiple_default_languages_of_the_region tag
that lists all possible values that the name MAY be in. (the tag name might
need some work :)).

That said, I fail to understand how it will help data processing. If a
region could be in FR and DE, you still don't know the language of the
specific feature's name.  How will the proposal help?  I might have misread
it though.

[1]  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:default_language

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:48 PM Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any opinions on the order of the tag?
> Just a couple of people have said that default:language would be preferred
> to language:default.
> It will take some time to update the proposal page, so I would like a few
> more opinions
> Joseph
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 10:16 AM Joseph Eisenberg <
> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Should we change the tag from language:default to default:language?
>> I've found out that language:* has already been used in the format
>> language:de, language:fr, language:en, etc, for the languages taught at a
>> school. See
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dlanguage_school. And
>> language=* has been used, though rarely.
>> There is also a page for default_language, which was made without going
>> through the proposal process. And there is a new proposal to specify all
>> "defaults" in the fomat default:subkey, though I have also seen this the
>> other way around, eg key:default, suggested for maxspeed.
>> I am not wedded to the current tag "language:default=<code>". Please
>> respond here (or on the talk page) if you prefer default:language=<code> or
>> default_language=<code>, or if you prefer the current order.
>> Proposal:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format
>> Talk page:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format
>> Thank you,
>> Joseph
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:36 PM Joseph Eisenberg <
>> joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Please see the Proposal page for the new tag,
>>> "language:default=<language code>"
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format
>>> Description:
>>> "Specify the default language format used for names, and recommend use
>>> of language-specific name tags.
>>> "By making it easier to use language-specific name:code=* tags to be
>>> used instead of the default name=* tag, this proposal will encourage
>>> the use of name tags that include the language code for all features.
>>> This will improve the quality and utility of the database. It will be
>>> possible to display non-Western languages in their correct orientation
>>> and script, properly display multilingual names, and to research the
>>> most commonly used language formats in a particular area.
>>> "The key language:default=* with a 2 or 3 letter ISO language code
>>> should be tagged on administrative boundary relations, such as
>>> countries, provinces and aboriginal communities. This is the language
>>> used for the majority of named features within a particular region, as
>>> indicated on public signs and in common use by the local community. If
>>> the language can be written in more than one script, a qualifier can
>>> be added to specify the script format. More than one language code can
>>> be listed, separated with a semicolon, if the local community uses
>>> more than one language on signs or by consensus.
>>> "The language tag should be applied to the largest boundary relation
>>> that accurately represents the language used for default names. When a
>>> smaller administrative boundary has a different default language
>>> format, this boundary should receive a language tag as well. This
>>> would include boundaries of provinces or aboriginal lands where a
>>> different language is used.
>>> "The language tag may also be applied to individual features when the
>>> name is in a different language than the default for the region, or
>>> when the feature crosses a border."
>>> Please read the whole page, which has quite a number of examples and a
>>> detailed rationale for the proposal, then please comment here or on
>>> the discussion page:
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format
>>> Thank you for all of your comments, criticisms and suggestions
>>> -Joseph
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