[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Wed Apr 10 13:58:28 UTC 2019

I mean tourism=camp_site, sorry for the confusion.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:51 PM Joseph Eisenberg <
joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> The current proposal suggests that this is useful to define individual
> sites for tents or caravans within a larger leisure=camp_site area.
> I don’t see much use in double tagging a single backcountry tent site with
> leisure=camp_site and camp_site=camp_pitch on the same node.
> Usually an individual campsite has a name rather than a ref= tag.
> For backcountry campsites, you can define the type of camp_site by using
> camp_site=basic (if there is no water or toilet) - see Key:camp_site
> Joseph
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:33 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> It mostly looks good, avoiding the over-namespacing of at least one of
>> the earlier proposals.
>> Should we consider clarifying that isolated sites that support only a
>> single party may/may not be tagged with camp_pitch?  I'm comfortable
>> with either: in one interpretation, a camp_pitch is simply a place for
>> a single party to camp; in the other a camp_pitch is a single party's
>> site, always within a larger facility.
>> I'm asking because most of the camping places that I visit are either
>> backcountry campsites, where a site is luxurious if it has a thunder
>> box http://tinyurl.com/y3clyav3 and a fire pit, or else roadside
>> campsites that are little more than a place to park a small caravan or
>> pitch a tent, and may have a proper outhouse or even a well with a
>> pitcher pump. They aren't parts of a larger campground.
>> In the case of one long string of roadside sites (spaced perhaps 400 m
>> apart), the area near the road
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6370357 is legally a
>> 'campground' and is tagged as such. The laws governing usage are
>> different from those that apply in the wilderness areas beyond. The
>> roadside spots continue to be maintained because of a long-standing
>> customary use by hunters, trappers and fishermen to access those
>> wilderness areas. (The other campgrounds that you see in the vicinity
>> are 'proper' camp_sites with communal flush toilets and showers,
>> offices, swimming beaches and so on. There are other strings of
>> roadside campsites that are not so grouped. For instance, there are a
>> dozen or so sites on Gould Road east of the end of the 'campground'
>> that are legally 'wild forest'.
>> Is there recommended tagging for sites without land access?  At some
>> point I may start placing individual sites to get the ref=* tagging,
>> and there are a whole lot of pitches in that part of the world that
>> may be numbered, reserved, paid-for sites, but that you need a canoe
>> to get to, either because they're on islands, or because they're on
>> trail-less lakeshore (and I at least don't want to push through the
>> mud and vegetation to get to them overland).
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:05 AM Joseph Eisenberg
>> <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've restarted the proposal process for camp_site=camp_pitch
>> >
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch
>> >
>> > This tag has already been used over 6800 times by over 380 mappers and
>> is pretty well defined by the old proposal page from 2015 as an individual
>> tent or caravan spot within a tourism=camp_site area.
>> >
>> > These features should be mapped as a node (or possibly an area, when
>> this is verifiable) and "ref=*" can be used for the number of the camp
>> pitch. This will be useful for routing and could be rendered like addr:unit
>> (most campsites do not have official unit numbers).
>> >
>> > There is also a tag camp_site=pitch which is undocumented and seems to
>> mean the same thing, but it is only used 1500 times by 34 mappers, and does
>> not seem to be growing in usage. I'd recommend approving
>> camp_site=camp_pitch instead
>> >
>> > Please comment here or on the proposal discussion page:
>> >
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch
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