[Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

[Tobias Wrede]

Am 15.02.2019 um 11:54 schrieb Rory McCann:
> On 14/02/2019 19:51, Tobias Zwick wrote:
>
> > Let's be pragmatic: We don't tag things just because and also do not
> > live in clouds. So, why do we tag access restrictions at all? -
>
> (IMO) To record the *legal* restrictions. 🙂
>
> > To be of use for routing and other use cases where it is relevant
> > whether something is accessible or not, simple as that.
> > The reason for it being (not) accessible is secondary

Unfortunately, the legal situation is not always as clear as we wish to. 
There are a lot of grey zones and we need to apply common sense when 
tagging the access rules.

Here are a few situations where I would not hesitate to put a foot=no on 
the road even if there is no corresponding traffic sign.

Pedestrians can take the level footpaths/sidewalks instead taking the 
underpass: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/6187386#map=18/50.94224/6.95277. There 
is no signage forbidding foot traffic. 
(https://www.google.de/maps/@50.9444478,6.9530483,3a,60y,190.35h,87.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQMNheDoeod1aqNAV9jAkzQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Tobias' example: One big crossing. Pedestrians ought to take the foot 
ways on the perimeter: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/188015318#map=19/53.54798/10.00603 
(https://www.google.de/maps/place/Deichtorpl.,+Hamburg/@53.5464444,10.0054334,194a,35y,39.47t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47b18ee36713d14d:0x9845b5555ddee686!8m2!3d53.5477326!4d10.0057289)

Pedestrians ought to take the bridge here. There are no traffic lights 
for pedestrians but there is no signage either forbidding pedestrians: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258669865#map=19/51.03936/7.05248

By German law you are required to use footpaths if they exists on the 
road. In these examples there are no footpaths on the roads so you 
should be able to use the carriageways. But is that what the planners 
intended and would it make sense at all?

I am with you regarding cases where some mappers might just tag a road 
foot=no if they feel it is too dangerous for the pedestrians or too 
unnerving for the car drivers and where there is no real designated 
alternative. We shouldn't do that.

Tobias