[Tagging] Dispute on tagging place=* in Turkmenistan

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Sat Jan 5 01:24:32 UTC 2019

> “We made up a sui generis admin_level=3 for New York City.”

Ha! Not a bad idea for NY/NJ/Connecticut

But I think you mean admin_level=5? ;-)

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 12:25 AM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 6:22 AM Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
> > The weird thing is the mixing of place and administrative entities which
> > actually leads to the inversion issues, go back read your text and you
> > will find it difficult to determine when you are talking about one or
> > the other.
> You're right, and I should have referred to Hamlet, Village, Town, and
> City - capitalized - when speaking of the political entities.  (I
> missed doing that.)
> We do *not* use the political organization in place=*.  There's no
> inversion in the place=* hierarchy. The City (capital C, the political
> entity) of Sherrill, for instance is (or ought to be, I haven't
> checked lately whether it's still right) mapped place=village. The
> Hamlet (capital H) of Brentwood should be place=city or place=suburb -
> I don't recall how far out the locals down that way decided to extend
> suburbia in their mapping, and they're more qualified than I am to
> make that decision. place=* is generally tagged on a point
> representing the cultural/political center of the place - often near a
> town square, post office, city hall, courthouse, railroad station or
> similar identifiable "middle", not a geographic center. We don't tag
> the boundary with place=*.
> There are some administrative entities (some suburban Towns come to
> mind) that really are political divisions without identifiable
> 'places' - and those just get boundary=administrative without a
> corresponding place=*
> The only tagging that follows the legal designation of Hamlet,
> Village, Town, City, and County or Borough is boundary=administrative.
> The political organization is encoded in admin_level=*. There are some
> corner cases in admin_level - but those mirror the messy structure of
> our government. For example, the five Counties/Boroughs that make up
> New York City have ceded their legislative powers (and most of their
> executive powers as well) to the City, but retain an independent
> judiciary. (We made up a sui generis admin_level=3 for New York City.)
> We do not invert place=*. If it's inverted, it's mistagged.  We do
> occasionally invert the topology of boundary=administrative, but that
> reflects reality in that the way our municipal governments are
> organized also inverts admin_level. Odd things happen when your form
> of govenrment is ad-hoc-cracy.
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