[Tagging] Trailhead tagging

Peter Elderson pelderson at gmail.com
Fri Jan 11 09:08:17 UTC 2019


This is a separate discussion, not specific for trailhead tagging. Let's
keep this thread about basic trailhead tagging.

Op vr 11 jan. 2019 om 09:17 schreef Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:

> Just as we do not map a wikipedia link to shop=car to explain the
> concept for shops selling cars, we should perhaps not map wikipedia
> links to explain TOPs.
> We do not link nodes and routes of walking networks to wikipedia pages
> (or other sites) explaining how you have to use them.
> We do not link highway=motorway to a wiki page on osm.org to explain
> the meaning of that concept.
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:45 AM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Analogy is not right. Not tagging all trailheads with this wikipedia
> reference, just the specific limited set fitting this specific concept
> described on the wikipedia page.
> > Any of the existing prefixed keys does not fit either, e.g.
> brand:wikipedia or operator:wikipedia is not fitting: it's not a brand and
> it's not an operator, it's a concept used by multiple operators (will be 12
> operators in the end).
> > So you could invent concept:wikipedia and add that to the trailheads
> using the concept. What would that accomplish? Exactly the same
> information, on exactly the same amount of nodes, just bypassing the
> existing referencing mechanisms, making it useless. The prefix keys are
> useful if multiple wikipedia references are applicable (according to the
> mapper).
> >
> > But again, this is local additional tagging which other mappers may or
> may not like.
> >
> > I would like to focus on the idea of basic mapping of trailheads fitting
> all trailheads that mappers find useful to map. The basic proposition is:
> >
> > highway=trailhead on a node at a (visibly) designated or customary
> location for starting one or more trails.
> > I move to add name=* as important second tag, because I think the place
> will almost always have a designated or customary name which makes it that
> much more usable for searches, lists and maps, but I understand there are
> examples of trailheads without a name.
> >
> > This covers all trailheads mapped worldwide so far, and excludes
> locations where a trail just crosses a road. Of course, the whole thing is
> not an obligation. There is no rule that every place fitting the
> description Shall Be Tagged As A Trailhead, just the ones mappers find
> worth tagging.
> >
> >
> >
> > Op do 10 jan. 2019 om 17:47 schreef Mateusz Konieczny <
> matkoniecz at tutanota.com>:
> >>
> >> wikipedia tag should be on trailhead solely in case where Wikipedia
> article is about this specific trailhead
> >>
> >> AFAIK there is no existing tag to cover linking to Wikipedia pages
> describing type of feature, and
> >> at least I see no use for it (but feel free to invent new one - though
> sooner or later someone would use it
> >> to link "Tree" article from every single natural=tree)
> >>
> >> Maybe tagging operator (and operator:wikipedia) will be enough?
> >>
> >> Jan 10, 2019, 5:06 PM by pelderson at gmail.com:
> >>
> >> No it’s not. Please rethink your analogy.
> >>
> >> Mvg Peter Elderson
> >>
> >> Op 10 jan. 2019 om 13:34 heeft Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
> >>
> >> On the wiki page for the Wikipedia tag [1]
> >>
> >> "only provide links to articles which are 'about the feature'. A link
> >> from St Paul's Cathedral in London to an article about St Paul's
> >> Cathedral on Wikipedia is fine. A link from a bus depot to the company
> >> that operates it is not (see section below)."
> >>
> >> what you do is similar to the bus depot example of what not to do.
> >> Perhaps you could use "Secondary Wikipedia links" (see [1]) to resolve
> >> your problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> The discussion of the Starbucks usage was a.o. in the thread of [2]
> >>
> >> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikipedia
> >> [2]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-January/075432.html
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:14 AM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Where can I find that discussion / decision?
> >>
> >> Op do 10 jan. 2019 om 10:16 schreef Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 4:20 PM Peter Elderson <pelderson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The wikipedia page is not a list, it is a description of what a TOP is
> in Nederland. A wiki page about trailhead tagging is not the right place
> for that. I think this is within the scope of the wikipedia key.
> >>
> >>
> >> Just as it was discouraged (aka "please remove the tags") to tag every
> >> Starbucks cafe with the Wikipedia link of Starbucks, I think the
> >> linking an individual TOP point to the general description of TOP
> >> should be discouraged.
> >>
> >> m.
> >>
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