[Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

Dave Swarthout daveswarthout at gmail.com
Sun Jan 13 08:51:10 UTC 2019


Warin, You're in Australia, right? When I was traveling in New Zealand I'm
pretty sure they called small motorhomes caravans. But maybe not.

I have no personal knowledge of the word caravan. To me, it makes no sense
at all to label anything having wheels as a caravan when everyone knows a
caravan is a string of freight-hauling camels negotiating the Sahara. I say
that in jest but yet, here we are again getting fouled up with usages in
different countries. We are stuck with tourism=caravan_site as well. Nobody
in the U.S. would ever refer to a campground hosting RVs and camping
trailers as a caravan_site or caravan_park but in OSM, of course, we must
do just that.

Anyway, my reply needn't be restricted to "caravans" or trailers. It's
merely an idea I wanted to mention. Just now, Martin replied with a page
about motorhomes. I'll take a look and get back to you.

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 3:36 PM Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 13/01/19 19:06, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>
> >Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I think that would be
> a good coverall term?)
>
> I would prefer that but it's an American term. We might as well just stay
> with caravan. Plus, I do think the tag you're proposing could, with enough
> thought, be made to work for all types of recreational_vehicles/caravans.
>
> There is a difference.
> Caravans attach to a motor vehicle for moment.
> Motor homes/campers are self propelled.
>
>
> There was a thread just a while ago on this list discussing ti-lo's solo
> initiative to upgrade motorcycle=shop tagging. It was/is a sensible scheme
> that integrated the functions of dealer, parts shop and accessories shop by
> using subtags to make the distinctions. (See the Services section:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmotorcycle#Services_tags).
> His scheme was criticized because he didn't discuss it fully enough on this
> list but aside from that, I liked the idea. The main tag and all subtags
> except those that already stand on their own, begin with the same keyword,
> motorcycle, and proceed from there, adding as much detail as desired or
> known.
>
> Hence, one might have
> caravan:parts=yes
> caravan:accessories=yes/no
> caravan:sales=yes/no
> caravan:type=type_a/type_b/type_c/fifth_wheel/trailer
>
> type?  caravan:classification=* ? classifications could be local legal
> ones. Other things are descriptions .. and OSM has a tag for that.
>
> second_hand=yes/only
> caravan:propulsion=trailer/yes/solar_powered (wishful thinking)  [also
> gas/diesel?]
>
> I say again, caravans are not self propelled - they need to be pulled
> along by something.
> Oxford Dictionary: A vehicle equipped for living in, typically towed by a
> car.
> Origin Late 15th century (in caravan (sense 2)): from French caravane,
> from Persian kārwān. The sense ‘covered horse-drawn wagon’ dates from the
> early 19th century.
>
>
> The caravan:types are well-known to anyone shopping for RVs (in America
> for sure but Europe or Asia, I dunno) but the tag is optional. Use it for
> fine-grained tagging, ignore it otherwise.
>
>
> In the UK smaller 'back' roads are narrow - Toyota Landcrusiers are seen
> as too wide, an American small Winabago is UK huge.
>
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1:01 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 13:06, Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assuming that this tagging scheme is also for a shop that sells only
>>> caravan parts and accessories but not caravans.
>>>
>>
>> No, I've tried to set it up selling (dealer) as well as parts, repair &
>> rental. Any other options you can think of, or better ways to word things?
>>
>>
>>> Also, I see you've decided not to be specific about the type or style of
>>> caravan sold. I would think caravan:style or caravan:class might be useful
>>> to distinguish between type_a, type_c, fifth-wheel, trailer, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Couple of people have suggested that & I've asked some questions about
>> "how" but no feedback yet
>>
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 07:54, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Possibly something like caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / Winnebago /
>>> camper trailer etc, but then you get to the problem of what is difference
>>> between a camper van, motorhome & Winnebago?
>>>
>>
>> motorised=yes / no?
>>
>> propulsion=towed / motorised?
>>
>> Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I think that would be
>> a good coverall term?)
>>
>> It's also, at least in the US, very common for a dealer
>>> to sell one or the other, but not both.
>>
>>
>> But if we use a separate page, won't you have the same problem that
>> you'll only be able to find one or the other?
>>
>> As I mentioned earlier, if we had
>>
>> caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / camper_trailer
>>
>> would you be able to search for the type you want?
>>
>> So, any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>> PS How you going using Warin's suggestion to create pages? :-)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com
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