[Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Sat Jul 6 06:24:50 UTC 2019

Another user added bring_own_bbq=yes as a suggestion on the amenity=bbq page

But, getting back to the original question, which I need answered for
my draft proposal Proposed_features/Campsite_properties:

Should we use bbq=yes or barbecue_grill=yes with campsites, caravan
sites and camp pitches to specify the presence of a grill that can be
used for bbq / grilling?

On 7/6/19, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/07/19 02:28, Jmapb via Tagging wrote:
>> On 7/5/2019 10:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>>> I don't think it would be necessary to combine "bbq=no" and
>>> "bring_own_bbq=yes" - if a feature such as a leisure=picnic_site is
>>> tagged "bring_own_bbq=yes" that is sufficient. The tag "bbq=no", like
>>> most tags with value "no", can be omitted.
>> This is true. A better phrasing of the problem would be bbq=yes combined
>> with bring_own_bbq=yes. Does bbq=yes imply static bbq equipment, or just
>> permission to bbq that's further refined by the bring_own_bbq=yes tag?
> To me
> bbq=yes means there is a physical bbq there and I can use it. To have a
> physical presence and not being able to use it is foolish.
> bbq=no means I cannot bbq here, I don't think have never used it.
> If there s a need to specify the bbq is permitted but you have to bring
> your own (BYO is a common abbreviation here) then a new value?
> bbq=bring_your_own???
>> In my mind, the *only* reason bbq=yes would mean the presence of a grill
>> is by echoing the amenity=atm/atm=yes pattern. But I don't think that
>> pattern works particularly well in this case. And as you pointed out in
>> your translation of the German wiki page, even amenity=bbq is already
>> used both ways, for equipment and permission: "One distinguishes between
>> free barbecue areas, where you have to take care of the grill yourself
>> and fixed barbecue areas with existing grill..." -- but there's no
>> indicating of *how* one distinguishes between the two. Obviously at one
>> point we didn't care to tag the difference, but now that we do, I don't
>> see any clear way of tagging all three possibilities
>> (grill/byo-grill/both) using the current tags.
> bbq:cooking_surface=grill/plate/* ??
> where plate is a continuous surface for cooking on, like a fixed pan,
> these usually drain to some point for cleaning.
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