[Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Mon Jul 29 14:18:44 UTC 2019


No, summary of discussion
with reference to the thread -
to avoid rediscussing the same thing in 
a future using the same arguments
and spending time on rediscovering
the same facts.

29 Jul 2019, 09:20 by pelderson at gmail.com:

> ym to document the date when total disagreement was reached, the number of days that took and how many mails were sent? 
>
> Vr gr Peter Elderson
>
>
> Op ma 29 jul. 2019 om 08:49 schreef Tobias Zwick <> osm at westnordost.de <mailto:osm at westnordost.de>> >:
>
>> One or several wiki edits should stand at the end of every tagging discussion, to document the conclusions made.
>>  
>>  Tobias 
>>  
>>  On July 29, 2019 8:37:25 AM GMT+02:00, Warin <>> 61sundowner at gmail.com <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>>> > wrote:
>>  >Err .. sent to tagging list, so response here. Not to worry, a little
>>  >more chatter.
>>  >(Should there be a wiki edit list? Or would 'we' all then have to join
>>  >that well as the tagging list? Anyone not want to be part of the
>>  >discussions on wiki edits possibly of relevance to tagging? )
>>  >
>>  >On 29/07/19 16:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> (Not sent to tagging list)
>>  >>
>>  >> I think the idea was that a tree with a proper name is an important /
>>  >> landmark tree?
>>  >>
>>  >> Perhaps you crazy Europeans name your special trees, eg King George's
>>  >Oak?
>>  >>
>>  >> The other suggestion was to use "landmark=yes" but this key is also
>>  >> not recommended. Someone needs to check how denotation=cluster is
>>  >> actually used now days.
>>  >
>>  >Correct. I looked it up.  :)
>>  >
>>  >The key denotation is meant for special trees .. see
>>  >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denotation <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:denotation>
>>  >
>>  >So I have changed the wiki again . to simply direct 'special tree'
>>  >tagging to that page.
>>  >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:denotation%3Dcluster <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:denotation%3Dcluster>
>>  >
>>  >If people want to mention names .. the denotation page would be the
>>  >better place for it.
>>  >
>>  >>
>>  >> Joseph
>>  >>
>>  >> On 7/29/19, Warin <>> 61sundowner at gmail.com <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>>> > wrote:
>>  >>> On 29/07/19 15:26, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>>  >>>> I've edited the page:
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> 1) I reworded some of the helpful changes that Mateusz Konieczny
>>  >just
>>  >>>> made, for better English style.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> 2) I've removed the implication that de facto / approved are
>>  >>>> "recommended" and that "deprecated" / "discardable" etc. are "not
>>  >>>> recommended".
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> I also removed the suggestion that "de facto" tags are supported by
>>  >>>> rendering / routing / editing software - while this is usually
>>  >true,
>>  >>>> it isn't what determines if a tag is given "de facto" status.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> 3) I removed "obsolete" status from the list with
>>  >deprecated/discouraged.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> However, I now think I figured out what this status is supposed to
>>  >>>> mean: it's supposed to be used for tags that were deprecated, but
>>  >now
>>  >>>> no longer even appear in the database, so the wiki page is only for
>>  >>>> historical information.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Do we really need a special status for this, or should is it ok if
>>  >I
>>  >>>> retag the 6 tags with this status to "deprecated"?
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>
>>  >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tag_descriptions_with_status_%22obsolete%22 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tag_descriptions_with_status_%22obsolete%22>
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> - Tag:abandoned=yes - recommended replacement abandoned:*=* - used
>>  >34,000
>>  >>>> times
>>  >>>> - Tag:amenity=Kneippbecken - approved replacement is
>>  >>>> amenity=kneipp_water_cure - used 0 times
>>  >>>> - Tag:man_made=power_hydro / Tag:man_made=power_nuclear /
>>  >>>> Tag:man_made=power_wind - use  power=generator, generator:source=*
>>  >>>> instead - used a couple of times only.
>>  >>>> - Tag:denotation=cluster - for special trees. Recommend to use
>>  >name=*
>>  >>>> instead with natural=tree. Had been down to 0 uses at one point,
>>  >but
>>  >>>> now there are a few hundred?
>>  >>> Gah! use name=* for something other than the name? No. Use the
>>  >description
>>  >>> key for that.
>>  >>> Edited wiki to remove this suggestion.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>> So only amenity=Kneippbecken and man_made=power_* really fit the
>>  >>>> "obsolete" status, though there are a number of tags currently with
>>  >>>> "deprecated" that are also no longer found in the database.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>> Once something has been 'depreciated' but now has little to no
>>  >presence then
>>  >>> 'obsolete' is a good status for it.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >
>>  >
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