[Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

brad bradhaack at fastmail.com
Thu Apr 2 19:02:05 UTC 2020



On 4/2/20 4:33 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> There is another aspect:
> The wiki page highway=cycleway states also
> " Tagging a way with highway 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=cycleway implies 
> that the route is designated for bicycles."
> This means it implies, at least in Italy and Germany, that this is 
> equivalent to this sign, which in turn implies that, the use of this 
> way is mandatory for cyclists, if the cycleway accompanies a road.
> Obviously this concept does not apply to a MTB-only paths.
> I sympathise with the MTB fraction in OSM, but I strongly suggest that 
> MTB-only paths be tagged as highway=path plus suitable MTB tagging and 
> cycleways remain cycleways that are suitable for (nearly) all bicycles 
> (the "nearly" regards in particular wider bicycles).

No need for sympathy, I strongly agree with what you're saying.  I think 
it's unfortunate that we even have the cycleway and footway tags, but 
they need to be treated as special cases of highway=path,


>
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 12:19, Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com 
> <mailto:voschix at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>         But highway=path is for unspecified, mixed use or generic
>         paths. A designated mountain bike track is not that, it's a
>         path specifically for bicycles.
>
>         If mountain bike tracks should be tagged as highway=path, then
>         the definition of path needs to be changed to not be an
>         unspecified or mixed use path.
>
>     No.
>     If the MTB path is not open to pedestrians, you add foot=no, and
>     possibly horse=no, in addition to your mtb:scale tags
>
>     Sure, you could say if you have a cycleway with
>     smoothness=horrible and tracktype=grade5 and foot=no and horse=no 
>     you have the same thing, but ther,
>
>             Please keep paths that can only be used by MTB clearly
>             different from cycleways that can be used non-MTB bicycles.
>
>
>         I always assumed that's what the mtb:*=* tags were for, but
>         smoothness= is also suitable here since it even lists specific
>         types of bicycles which would be suitable
>         http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness
>
>     Yes, the mtb: tags would in theory be able to convert als a
>     cycleway in an MTB track - see above, but it is much simpler to
>     keep the meaning that a cycleway is a cycleway and implies that
>     you can use it with a normal bicycle.
>
>
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