[Tagging] Things within things | Re: Request for assistance in creating a tag.

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Mon Apr 13 10:35:35 UTC 2020 

On 13/4/20 7:27 pm, Rory McCann wrote:
> I think this is a case of “Things within other things”. How do we map 
> that? For the enclosing hospital, we know how to map that. But how do 
> we map individual parts within it?


Similar to universities?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=university#Faculties_and_departments

I'd use "department=*" as a subtag ... ???


I'd have to look at a university example where the departments location 
was mapped with its details there.

>
> e.g. St. James' Hospital in Dublin (OSM: 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32015912 ), the hospital has it's 
> own phone number, `website` etc. Within that is a HIV (& STI) clinic 
> http://guideclinic.ie/ It has it's own website, and a specific 
> location. How should that be tagged?
>
> Beumount Hospital ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22634348 ) has 
> is mapped and tagged. The Infection Disease service ( 
> http://www.beaumont.ie/index.jsp?p=105&n=227 ) is “located on the 
> ground floor in St Johns ward”, and has a phone number & email 
> address. How can we map this?
>
> OSM could do much better for indoor mapping, and for shopping centres 
> or train stations, that's easy. Add each `shop` or corridor. But what 
> about a (sorta of) clinic within a larger OSM object?


2 separate things.

Subtag the main facility with the capabilities that exist.


and/or


Map the locations of the individual departments with their capabilities 
etc.



>
> On 13.04.20 10:48, Mikko Tamura wrote:
>> Thank you for the wonderful insights. Currently, what we are tagging 
>> is the hospital. So for example, Manila Hospital (tagged as a 
>> hospital) we add the tags like disease:hiv=yes. say that it is a 
>> treatment facility and it dispenses hiv medicine. But what i am 
>> having difficulty is that hiv facility is treated like a department. 
>> You can put in the email address and contact details of the hospital 
>> but if I add the contact details of the Hiv facility it then gets 
>> mixed with the hospital details.
>> In this case A hospital can have a clinic specifically for HIV, and a 
>> clinic can also have a small office for HIV patients (not 
>> specifically another clinic).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Joseph and Warin most. of the cases are really similar here.
>>
>> For treatment hubs - yes this is for inpatients similarly for the one 
>> you described. This is are mostly hospitals but in some cases 
>> clinics. My problem here is that a big hospital has alot of contact 
>> details for the hospital so the information and contact details for 
>> the hiv treatment facility are mixed.
>>
>> For hiv care - yes it is a bit of all a combination. I cant tagged it 
>> as a pharmacy as it only releases specific anti-retroviral drugs.
>>
>> Currently We are using this tagging system as assisted by the local 
>> OSM community in the Philippines.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIV_Facilities_Tagging_(MapBeks)
>>
>> But I feel the feature gets overshadowed by the 
>> hospital/clinic/social facility/office tag. Your thoughts would be 
>> very helpful.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joseph Eisenberg 
>> <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>      > Treatment hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing):
>>
>>     Are you sure you mean "inpatient?" An "inpatient" facility, in
>>     American English, is a hospital which has beds where patients are
>>     cared for overnight.
>>
>>     This would be mapped as amenity=hospital for the main feature, most
>>     likely.
>>
>>      > primary hiv care (dispensaries+testing)
>>
>>     You don't mention care by a nurse or physician, but I assume this is
>>     an amenity=clinic (with physicians and nurses) which also has an
>>     amenity=pharmacy in the same building. There might also be a
>>     healthcare=laboratory at the location.
>>
>>      > testing centers/clinics (testing only)
>>
>>     Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
>>     laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
>>     doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a 
>> laboratory
>>     for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility.
>>
>>     For the speciality, it's possible to use something like
>>     healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic
>>     treats.
>>
>>     But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat 
>> HIV
>>     also offer treatment for other infectious  conditions, so a 
>> different
>>     specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would 
>> usually
>>     be more correct.
>>
>>     I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been 
>> used:
>>     https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map
>>
>>     In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any
>>     healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But 
>> if you
>>     can only get this done at some specialized places in the 
>> Phillipines,
>>     you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for 
>> clinics,
>>     doctor's offices, and laboratories.
>>
>>     Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications
>>     from standard pharmacies. But if they are only available from a few
>>     pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like
>>     "hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility.
>>
>>     It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been
>>     used in combination. That seems overlong and complex,  so it 
>> would not
>>     have been my first choice:
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy
>>
>>     -- Joseph Eisenberg
>>
>>     On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>      > At present there is the key healtcare.
>>      >
>>      > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare
>>      >
>>      > Some initial thoughts?
>>      >
>>      > healthcare:specialty=HIV_testing
>>      >
>>      > healthcare:specialty=HIV_treatment
>>      >
>>      > HIV dispensary ... would be a pharmacy?
>>      >
>>      > amenity
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=pharmacy and
>>      > dispensing 
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dispensing>=HIV
>>      >
>>      > ???Hopefully there will be better ideas.
>>      >
>>      > On 13/4/20 4:32 pm, Mikko Tamura wrote:
>>      >> Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask 
>> assistance
>>      >> in creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging
>>     system
>>      >> for hiv facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be 
>> too
>>      >> extensive. We would like it to be more simple. I hope you can
>>     help me
>>      >> with it. I am reading the wiki page and Im having a 
>> challenging time
>>      >> doing it.
>>      >>
>>      >> Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics.
>>     Treatment
>>      >> hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care
>>      >> (dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing
>>     only). We
>>      >> have started tagging hospitals which have this features and
>>     honestly I
>>      >> am guessing this would eventually get mixed up with the other
>>     tagging
>>      >> like the contact number of the hospital, etc. Hopefully, we can
>>      >> represent it with a node with basic details specifically for 
>> that
>>      >> clinic/department.
>>      >>
>>      >> Hope someone can guide us and thank you in advance.
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