[Tagging] Things within things | Re: Request for assistance in creating a tag.
Warin
61sundowner at gmail.com
Mon Apr 13 22:30:14 UTC 2020
On 13/4/20 9:28 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> Ok, I do agree that "healthcare=department" or perhaps
> "healthcare=hospital_department" would make sense for an inpatient
> department within a larger hospital, since that is certainly not an
> amenity=clinic (which are outpatient facilities).
>
> It would not be a good idea to use a totally new key like
> "department=" on a feature like this which could be mapped as an area,
> since this will be difficult for database users, and because it would
> be ambiguous if "healthcare" or similar is not included in the tag.
It would be a good idea if the tag/s developed here could be used with other things that have 'departments' such as universities.
Hence my suggestion of 'department', as a key it is used some 799 times .. fairly good for something that is not well documented.
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Duniversity#Faculties_and_departments
>
> This would make sense for hospitals which have a whole "wing" or
> separate building devoted to the surgical service, or obstetrics
> (labor and delivery), or a pediatric department which is not a
> separate hospital, or a special psychiatric ward, and so on.
I don't see the necessity for a 'whole wing'. I would think that they typically would have a defined area, however big or small it is.
>
> For the original poster, it depends whether these HIV centres are
> outpatient-only, in which case amenity=clinic is fine. If they admit
> inpatients into a special part of the hospital, then a new tag like
> healthcare=department / hospital_department is a good idea.
>
> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 13/4/20 7:27 pm, Rory McCann wrote:
>>> I think this is a case of “Things within other things”. How do we map
>>> that? For the enclosing hospital, we know how to map that. But how do
>>> we map individual parts within it?
>>
>> Similar to universities?
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=university#Faculties_and_departments
>>
>> I'd use "department=*" as a subtag ... ???
>>
>>
>> I'd have to look at a university example where the departments location
>> was mapped with its details there.
>>
>>> e.g. St. James' Hospital in Dublin (OSM:
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32015912 ), the hospital has it's
>>> own phone number, `website` etc. Within that is a HIV (& STI) clinic
>>> http://guideclinic.ie/ It has it's own website, and a specific
>>> location. How should that be tagged?
>>>
>>> Beumount Hospital ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22634348 ) has
>>> is mapped and tagged. The Infection Disease service (
>>> http://www.beaumont.ie/index.jsp?p=105&n=227 ) is “located on the
>>> ground floor in St Johns ward”, and has a phone number & email
>>> address. How can we map this?
>>>
>>> OSM could do much better for indoor mapping, and for shopping centres
>>> or train stations, that's easy. Add each `shop` or corridor. But what
>>> about a (sorta of) clinic within a larger OSM object?
>>
>> 2 separate things.
>>
>> Subtag the main facility with the capabilities that exist.
>>
>>
>> and/or
>>
>>
>> Map the locations of the individual departments with their capabilities
>> etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 13.04.20 10:48, Mikko Tamura wrote:
>>>> Thank you for the wonderful insights. Currently, what we are tagging
>>>> is the hospital. So for example, Manila Hospital (tagged as a
>>>> hospital) we add the tags like disease:hiv=yes. say that it is a
>>>> treatment facility and it dispenses hiv medicine. But what i am
>>>> having difficulty is that hiv facility is treated like a department.
>>>> You can put in the email address and contact details of the hospital
>>>> but if I add the contact details of the Hiv facility it then gets
>>>> mixed with the hospital details.
>>>> In this case A hospital can have a clinic specifically for HIV, and a
>>>> clinic can also have a small office for HIV patients (not
>>>> specifically another clinic).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Joseph and Warin most. of the cases are really similar here.
>>>>
>>>> For treatment hubs - yes this is for inpatients similarly for the one
>>>> you described. This is are mostly hospitals but in some cases
>>>> clinics. My problem here is that a big hospital has alot of contact
>>>> details for the hospital so the information and contact details for
>>>> the hiv treatment facility are mixed.
>>>>
>>>> For hiv care - yes it is a bit of all a combination. I cant tagged it
>>>> as a pharmacy as it only releases specific anti-retroviral drugs.
>>>>
>>>> Currently We are using this tagging system as assisted by the local
>>>> OSM community in the Philippines.
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HIV_Facilities_Tagging_(MapBeks)
>>>>
>>>> But I feel the feature gets overshadowed by the
>>>> hospital/clinic/social facility/office tag. Your thoughts would be
>>>> very helpful.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joseph Eisenberg
>>>> <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com <mailto:joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Treatment hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing):
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure you mean "inpatient?" An "inpatient" facility, in
>>>> American English, is a hospital which has beds where patients are
>>>> cared for overnight.
>>>>
>>>> This would be mapped as amenity=hospital for the main feature, most
>>>> likely.
>>>>
>>>> > primary hiv care (dispensaries+testing)
>>>>
>>>> You don't mention care by a nurse or physician, but I assume this is
>>>> an amenity=clinic (with physicians and nurses) which also has an
>>>> amenity=pharmacy in the same building. There might also be a
>>>> healthcare=laboratory at the location.
>>>>
>>>> > testing centers/clinics (testing only)
>>>>
>>>> Is this a doctor's office, or is there just a nurse, or just a
>>>> laboratory technician who can draw blood for the test? If there is a
>>>> doctor, it might be an amenity=doctors. If there is just a
>>>> laboratory
>>>> for testing, that would be a healthcare=laboratory facility.
>>>>
>>>> For the speciality, it's possible to use something like
>>>> healthcare:speciality=hiv if that's the only thing that the clinic
>>>> treats.
>>>>
>>>> But here in Indonesia and back in the USA most clinics that treat
>>>> HIV
>>>> also offer treatment for other infectious conditions, so a
>>>> different
>>>> specialty like healthcare:speciality=infectious_diseases would
>>>> usually
>>>> be more correct.
>>>>
>>>> I see that in the Phillipines the tag "disease:hiv=yes" has been
>>>> used:
>>>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/disease%3Ahiv#map
>>>>
>>>> In Indonesia and the USA you can get an HIV test at just about any
>>>> healthcare=laboratory and larger clinics and all hospitals. But
>>>> if you
>>>> can only get this done at some specialized places in the
>>>> Phillipines,
>>>> you could consider adding a tag like "hiv_testing=yes/no" for
>>>> clinics,
>>>> doctor's offices, and laboratories.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, in the USA it's normal to be able to get hiv medications
>>>> from standard pharmacies. But if they are only available from a few
>>>> pharmacies in your country, you could add a tag like
>>>> "hiv_medication=yes/no" to an "amenity=pharmacy" facility.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like "medical_service:antiretroviral_therapy=yes" has been
>>>> used in combination. That seems overlong and complex, so it
>>>> would not
>>>> have been my first choice:
>>>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy
>>>>
>>>> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>>>>
>>>> On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> > At present there is the key healtcare.
>>>> >
>>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare
>>>> >
>>>> > Some initial thoughts?
>>>> >
>>>> > healthcare:specialty=HIV_testing
>>>> >
>>>> > healthcare:specialty=HIV_treatment
>>>> >
>>>> > HIV dispensary ... would be a pharmacy?
>>>> >
>>>> > amenity
>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity>=pharmacy and
>>>> > dispensing
>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dispensing>=HIV
>>>> >
>>>> > ???Hopefully there will be better ideas.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 13/4/20 4:32 pm, Mikko Tamura wrote:
>>>> >> Good day, fellow OSM tagging experts. I would like to ask
>>>> assistance
>>>> >> in creating a tag for HIV facilities. We have created a tagging
>>>> system
>>>> >> for hiv facilities here in the Philippines but it seems to be
>>>> too
>>>> >> extensive. We would like it to be more simple. I hope you can
>>>> help me
>>>> >> with it. I am reading the wiki page and Im having a
>>>> challenging time
>>>> >> doing it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Some background: We have 3 types of HIV facilities/clinics.
>>>> Treatment
>>>> >> hubs (in patient + dispensaries+ testing), primary hiv care
>>>> >> (dispensaries+testing) and testing centers/clinics (testing
>>>> only). We
>>>> >> have started tagging hospitals which have this features and
>>>> honestly I
>>>> >> am guessing this would eventually get mixed up with the other
>>>> tagging
>>>> >> like the contact number of the hospital, etc. Hopefully, we can
>>>> >> represent it with a node with basic details specifically for
>>>> that
>>>> >> clinic/department.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hope someone can guide us and thank you in advance.
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