[Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Sat Aug 15 13:31:05 UTC 2020


On 2020-08-15 15:15, dktue wrote:

> The main thing is that people often refer to "Talstation" and "Bergstation" but this information is not machine-readeable but mostly encoded in the names of the stations. My goal ist to make this machine-readeable because it almost all cases people can refer to it even if they do not know the station's name. It's obvious what's meant in almost every case what I mean when I say "Bergstation Mutteralmbahn" [1] even if the station's name doesn't say so [2]. So let's put this into machine-readeable tags to enable applications to solve a problem not for specialists but for the general map purpose we're building.
> 
> In my opinion we did have the right discussion and have a very good proposed definition with easy values that people with a basic understanding of english can understand. Do you agree?

Yes, I agree, provided the values are "top/bottom" or "upper/lower" and
not "head/base". Even "mountain/valley" could be problematic as it
depends on the geography and not simply on the geometry (an end-station
half-way up the mountain, what is that?). The distinction is purely
about the altitude of the end-station relative to the other, not about
whether it is surrounded by shops or rocks. 

This will enable a user to select all top-stations for example, or to
label the stations on a given cableway appropriately.

> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26746748
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/293382166
> 
> Am 15.08.2020 um 15:03 schrieb Colin Smale: 
> 
> It seems we can't even agree on what question to ask an "expert". @dktue I think you started this discussion... What was your intention at the time? Was it "how do we identify top/bottom stations on a cable car"? If you ask an "expert" you might get an answer involving the project numbers for the build phase, or the serial numbers of the pylons. Let's stop looking for even more solutions until we have clearly defined the problem. Otherwise you will end up with 100 different "solutions" and an argument about which is best. If it's about tagging the stations as upper/mid/lower according to their altitude and topological location, then we are there already; you should prepare a tagging proposal and put it to the vote.
> 
> And bear in mind the values should ultimately be meaningful to a normal person, not just to a ski lift engineer, and to people with limited English (so using French/German/Italian nomenclature for example would not be helpful). 
> 
> On 2020-08-15 14:37, Yves wrote: 
> 
> Maybe (as always here) we are too few specialists on this list to find the right values. I know of two forum funivie.org and remontées-mécaniques.net that specialize in the field, but in Italian and French. Does anybody know of a similar community, but English speaking?
> Maybe we could have good advice and get a few new mapper's on board.
> Yves
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