[Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

Oliver Simmons oliversimmo at gmail.com
Sun Aug 23 16:38:54 UTC 2020


On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 17:38 Oliver Simmons, <oliversimmo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with the `hostile_architecture=` tag as this could be expanded on
> in the future.
>
> Other types of common hostile architecture I know of:
> - sloped bus stop benches
> - spikes on the floor
> - bike racks in annoying places
>
> I propose `hostile_architecture=spikes`
> and `hostile_architecture=yes` for when it is more vague.
>
> As far as I know they are all anti-homeless to try and move them elsewhere
> out of the public eye.
> (makes it seems as if there are less homeless people)
>
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 17:30 Vucod via Tagging, <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> 1) I wish to tag benches that were designed to avoid that someone lie on
>> it. There has been some related discussions in the past (
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/avbmsb/is_there_a_preferred_way_of_mapping_possible/
>> and
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/8rs7zf/how_to_map_antihomeless_bench/
>> )
>> but with no conclusion. It is possible that it has retained people to map
>> that kind of objects. Today, there is nearly no such information in OSM.
>> Maybe it is because it is not its place? Nobody expressed that clearly.
>>
>> So, I started to use the tag *lying_hindrance=yes* on some benches. In
>> case of doubts, this can be verified when doing surveys, by lying on the
>> bench. This could also be determined most of the time by looking at a few
>> things. The length of the bench, the presence of a slope, the presence of
>> separation between the seats of the bench, and by checking if it is a
>> standing bench. Note that length was refused as an official key for bench
>> and that the key for the separation doesn't exist (armrest does not
>> specifically concern the inner part of the bench). The tag could be
>> extended by specifying the hindrance type: armrest, standing_bench,
>> short_length, slope, ...
>>
>> What do you think about this tag? Do you have alternative ideas?
>>
>> 2) Also, I wish to map something else related to hostile architecture
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_architecture>. I wish to map
>> devices that are placed near the entrance of shops to prevent people to sit
>> there (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGdHfvsCP7A,
>> https://twitter.com/ArticuleE/status/1222197697333145603,
>> https://twitter.com/ArticuleE/status/1215931276944924672). I was going
>> to add a combination of tags on the building where the shop is located:
>>
>> sitting_hindrance=yes
>> sitting_hindrance:location=street_side
>>
>> It can also be verified quite easily. A general tag like
>> hostile_architecture={sitting_hindrance|lying_hindrance} would also be
>> quite useful for mappers to rapidly understand the purpose of these tags.
>>
>> What do you think about it?
>>
>> Thanks for your time
>>
>> Vucod
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