[Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

Taskar Center uwtcat at uw.edu
Sun Aug 23 21:51:14 UTC 2020


Hi,

Well, in defense of Oliversimmo, we have MANY subjective tags in OSM that require a second look. Like accessible=yes... accessible to whom? Even if you’re just assuming accessible to wheelchairs:  wheelchair users have such a wide breadth of preferences, needs, and risks they’re willing to take in the built environment. we’re much better off deprecating the accessible tag and instead specifying the precise width of the surface and whether it has a smooth surface, so users and routers can downstream assess access. 

Likewise, in this case, would it make sense to propose a tag for benches as:
segment_width=?(expressed in ft)
Where the tag represents the longest width that is unhampered by an armrest or other obstruction to laying down. This might be more in the OSM spirit of mapping the physical ‘thing’, and each DOWNSTREAM interpretation can assess whether the bench can be used for laying down.

Anat

Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Oliver Simmons <oliversimmo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good point.
> By "hostile" I meant against homeless people.
> Without the context it would be hard to understand what is meant.
> 
> `anti_homeless` maybe?
> Someone else can probably think of a better suggestion
> 
>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 18:01 Martin Koppenhoefer, <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> sent from a phone
>> 
>> > On 23. Aug 2020, at 18:40, Oliver Simmons <oliversimmo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > I agree with the `hostile_architecture=` tag as this could be expanded on in the future
>> 
>> 
>> I can see the point, but it is probably not verifiable in many instances (it could be seen as hostile but it could have other reasons, also it may be hostile but not intended (bad architect)). And there would be many edge cases, e.g. a luxury development in the city, which effectively closes a passage (on private grounds) which locals are used to be available, would most certainly be considered hostile by these locals, but likely not by others who do not know it was a passage before, etc.
>> 
>> Cheers Martin 
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